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    More than a Year Later, the Justin Upton Trade Looks Worse

    For the Diamondbacks ...

    http://insidethezona.com/2014/05/yea...n-trade-worse/



    It looks like the Upton move was reasonable when made if you believe that Randall Delgado should have been valued as high as we’ve done so above. The fact that Delgado hasn’t really worked out as a starter is, in large part, why the trade looks much worse in hindsight. But if Julio Teheran was actually an option for Towers instead of Randall Delgado, that’s some serious egg on the face of Towers — not just because he guessed wrong, but because of why he did so. Given that Towers bailed on Trevor Bauer and Tyler Skaggs when they needed fixing, is failing to insist on Julio Teheran another example of Towers thinking that his organization couldn’t “fix” pitchers? If so, that’s a scathing indictment of his own organization and poor judgment to boot.

    As we and the D-backs start to think about a rebuilding plan, however, we’re trying to identify trade pieces, and unless the D-backs were to trade Paul Goldschmidt, there are no premium MLB assets in the cupboard with which to obtain premium minor league talent. There are plenty of trade assets, but unless the D-backs can convince another team to take quantity in return for quality, the club is likely to get back more of the same, and to rebuild as a “depth” team instead of as the Washington Nationals or Houston Astros. The Upton trade was a reasonable move that happens to not have worked out particularly well, but, more than anything else, it may have been a wasted opportunity to inject premium talent into the organization.

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    It really was a trade you had to make and I'm obviously not Uptons biggest fan. This one move made the Braves a 84-88 win boderline wild card team to a potential perennial division winning 92+ win club.
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    And also Prado's just not that good

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    If they had gotten Teheran instead of Delgado or Peraza or Gattis instead of one of the other minor league players they would be winning the trade. Details details.

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    I loved Martin, but never saw him as a guy that a cash-strapped team would want to commit big dollars to. He's an easy player to like, and that led him to being overrated by a lot of folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    And also Prado's just not that good
    Prado is a very good player. He's just not great, and is getting paid way more than we should pay him.
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    Prado haters unite...

    We get it already. He is gone and nobody myself included thinks the Braves didn't own that trade.

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    Seems like from here that Gibson just didn't like Upton's perceived lack of effort on occasion and the D-Backs were forced to undervalue him to push the deal through. Gibson's skills as manager should be pretty much an open debate now with Arizona playing so far below their perceived talent level. Since the Braves and BJ are pretty much wed via shotgun, I wonder what it will take to keep Justin.

    That said, I have always maintained that the Braves needed to find a way to keep Drury. But I never saw CJ coming, and he's again returned to the player he was last year -- a multi-hit machine who'll easily end up over .300 again.

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    I'll give them Martin and their choice of Hursh or Graham for Prado IF they take Uggla as well.

    Then plug Prado in at 2B and lengthen the lineup out with him hitting behind Heyward.

    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    And also Prado's just not that good
    Truth.

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    You know, the D'Backs should have one of the best young teams in baseball right now. It's too bad their manager wanted to trade a superstar talent like Upton because he wasn't "gritty" enough. How absurd.

    Imagine Upton and Goldschmidt in the same lineup right now.

    And what about Trevor Bauer? Did they even get anything of value for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    You know, the D'Backs should have one of the best young teams in baseball right now. It's too bad their manager wanted to trade a superstar talent like Upton because he wasn't "gritty" enough. How absurd.

    Imagine Upton and Goldschmidt in the same lineup right now.

    And what about Trevor Bauer? Did they even get anything of value for him?
    Don't forget about Tyler Skaggs and Jarrod Parker. Traded away for very little.

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    But Kevin Towers sure can build a great bullpen.

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    Delgado 61 mil? Lol....ooookay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    But Kevin Towers sure can build a great bullpen.
    I can't believe that guy still has a job. Not because of ownership, but the fan base not running him out on a rail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    I can't believe that guy still has a job. Not because of ownership, but the fan base not running him out on a rail.
    Yeah, that. If I were a DBacks fan, I wouldn't rest until that dull-witted shower of dip**** was looking for another job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    I can't believe that guy still has a job. Not because of ownership, but the fan base not running him out on a rail.
    Yea he hasnt had many good moves has he. Bauer & Skaggs are good examples of whats wrong there. They move out of town and other organizations...not even ones known for progressing Sp prospects...turn them around. That Reed trade was rough too.

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    So are we going to see a dbacks firesale? Could we go after Prado for super sub? Maybe even 2b starter. If he could hit like he did in Atlabnta I think he could really help this team. I know Wren wasn't crazy about paying Prado 11 mill and his value has only gone down since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    I can't believe that guy still has a job. Not because of ownership, but the fan base not running him out on a rail.
    The bad GM always lasts about twice as long as the bad manager does. It makes sense; the bad GM always buys time by firing the manager. When its time to fire the 2nd manager the brass finally realizes who the real problem was.

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