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    The biggest problem with the Obama admin, imo...

    Is the lack of honesty. Only because he kind of ran on it. They promoted a more open presidency yet we haven't gotten that. Sure we have Whitehouse.gov yet let's be honest, that full of propaganda. Let's take a look at some examples.

    Benghazi - They could have just said, look we were in an election and we didn't want the president to seem like crap on foreign policy. Maybe not exactly how it should have been phrased but it's the most logical truth. I feel like in the end Americans would have accepted that. Not the committed right wing, but they aint voting for Obama.

    IRS - Should have come out super strong here and should have seen some heads roll. Obama should have been outraged on this one and should have immediately fired Lerner immediately. This imo, was a despicable abuse of power.

    Obamacare screwups. Should have been more honest and should have gone after his own party here. They were shooting for the moon and it was unconstitutional imo. Should have been more honest and open about single payer system. Here are the positives and here are the negatives.

    Gun control. Same thing. No real reason to ban quasi assualt weapons. Hand guns are just as deadly in the end. Should have been more honest about the statistics.

    Obama watching the AP: Yeah you forgot about this one and yet it happened. Questionable at best. Were they ever honest here?

    Fast and Furious: We messed up. That's it. That's all I want to hear. I get what they were doing, but just admit it didn't work out. This is an honest and open admin, right?

    Snowden: They are still fumbling this one. Sometimes I think I think I can come up with a better defense.
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    Well, that are completely breaking the law
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    WMD - he knew there was no WMD - why didn't he just say it was for oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    WMD - he knew there was no WMD - why didn't he just say it was for oil?
    I'm just saying from the perspective of what Obama ran on. I get your hypocrisy grump here, but even accepting your strawman as truth, how does that defend Obama in regards to your moral compass?
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    I think the point is, every administration does similar things. I am NOT saying that makes it right. The president can't keep every promise and never intends to. Unfortunately. But you're joking if you believe Obama is any worse in regards to that than any other president, ever. He ran on transparency and hasn't held up, but what else is new? It's a silly criticism, because they ALL do it. So criticize them ALL. Don't make it an Obama thing (impossible, I know).

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    Weso, I agree with you about transparency and even, to some degree, about accountability.

    Still, you have to consider the nature of the opposition to judge fairly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    I think the point is, every administration does similar things. I am NOT saying that makes it right. The president can't keep every promise and never intends to. Unfortunately. But you're joking if you believe Obama is any worse in regards to that than any other president, ever. He ran on transparency and hasn't held up, but what else is new? It's a silly criticism, because they ALL do it. So criticize them ALL. Don't make it an Obama thing (impossible, I know).
    Good post. I feel the same way but my dislike goes further than being a too liberal president which he might show in face but behind the scenes he is not, but he has to keep the front on for his party. He just making my race look bad by the things you all have seen, it is like "Can we trust him?" "What is he trying to accomplish?". The liberal side me in regards to the welfare of our people I am not happy about at all and a lot of my kind feels that way. Conservatively, he spends too much and checks and balances he do use, he does not do it wisely. Why pass bills when they are not thoroughly researched for political points.

    I believe Bush was just as worse or even more due to neoconism, but I don't blame him, but Cheney, he ran the country as Bush was spineless and Obama isn't. He takes charge but sometimes too much, opens his mouth too fast, or those under him do, see Benghazi, see this current dilemma, see Fast and Furious, see Trayvon Martin. Anything to score political points he opens his mouth and then regrets it later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weso1 View Post
    Is the lack of honesty. Only because he kind of ran on it. They promoted a more open presidency yet we haven't gotten that. Sure we have Whitehouse.gov yet let's be honest, that full of propaganda. Let's take a look at some examples.

    Benghazi - They could have just said, look we were in an election and we didn't want the president to seem like crap on foreign policy. Maybe not exactly how it should have been phrased but it's the most logical truth. I feel like in the end Americans would have accepted that. Not the committed right wing, but they aint voting for Obama.

    IRS - Should have come out super strong here and should have seen some heads roll. Obama should have been outraged on this one and should have immediately fired Lerner immediately. This imo, was a despicable abuse of power.

    Obamacare screwups. Should have been more honest and should have gone after his own party here. They were shooting for the moon and it was unconstitutional imo. Should have been more honest and open about single payer system. Here are the positives and here are the negatives.

    Gun control. Same thing. No real reason to ban quasi assualt weapons. Hand guns are just as deadly in the end. Should have been more honest about the statistics.

    Obama watching the AP: Yeah you forgot about this one and yet it happened. Questionable at best. Were they ever honest here?

    Fast and Furious: We messed up. That's it. That's all I want to hear. I get what they were doing, but just admit it didn't work out. This is an honest and open admin, right?

    Snowden: They are still fumbling this one. Sometimes I think I think I can come up with a better defense.
    I agree on most of this.

    Someone dropped the ball on Benghazi, a proper investigation needs to be done. However, I'm sick of one side desperately trying to turn it into a 9/11 style event. Perhaps it's just craphole Fox News that makes it seem that way. Everywhere I go at work, the breakroom, the cafeteria, patient rooms, Fox is everywhere, slowly sucking out brain cells with their constant fake ass coverage and argumentative talking points. I wish they (and all cable news) would STFU and deliver perceived facts and leave it alone. Americans are seriously brainwashed with 24 hour news they don't need. I hate when I visit friends homes and they are watching it like it's fun, or entertaining. Wish I could vomit on their TV's. </rant> Sorry guys, I'll vote on the right, but I just can't stand the right's media style, save Chris Wallace and Shep Smith who seem to be decent human beings.

    Anyway, unfortunately in this age of politicians being owned as mascots by big corporate sponsors, I fear Presidents and their admins will never get better. Duh.

    I voted McCain and Romney, but hoped Obama wouldn't have this much trouble. I gave him more benefit of the doubt than I gave Bush & Co, showing my bias in the process.

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