What would it take to pry jay away from the cardinals? If you could would you be interested? I was thinking heyward cj and a high ml for jay carpenter and Carlos Martinez
What would it take to pry jay away from the cardinals? If you could would you be interested? I was thinking heyward cj and a high ml for jay carpenter and Carlos Martinez
Originally Posted by jcc03004
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
AerchAngel (06-09-2014), jpx7 (06-08-2014), Krovahn (06-09-2014), rico43 (06-08-2014), tomahawkchop10 (06-08-2014), yeezus (06-08-2014)
Heyward is better than Jay, that makes no sense at all.
Not to mention, there would be no place for Jay to play because BJ Upton ain't going anywhere.
Why do people want to get rid of Beej as soon as he started to look better?
Natural Immunity Croc
uhh wut
Not trying to get rid of Bj here's here to stay this deal puts a better defender at third a plus arm that can start or relieve and a replacement for heyward. Let's face it he's gone in 2 years. Jay has been a bench bat for stl so he might be undervalued the centerpiece of this deal is Martinez and carpenter. Would stl do it?
Last edited by jcc03004; 06-08-2014 at 08:25 AM.
Some of us never wanted him in the first place. But Heyward is a keeper and I always believed that.
NinersSBChamps (06-08-2014)
Heyward is our best player. Plus his skill set includes components (notably defense) that tend to be undervalued by the market. Will cost a lot to keep, but will be worth it. He'll be a bargain at $25M.
Last edited by nsacpi; 06-08-2014 at 01:23 PM.
More then what it is worth.
Getting a new 4th OFer is not something the braves should be trading what assets they have for.
Good lord some of you are nearly as crazy as the OP.
Heyward is a fine player, but not worth 20 million, even with todays increased salaries. Once his defense diminishes (and it will sooner, rather than later) he'll be a .270/.350/474 player, and while that is nice, it's hardly worth paying 20 million for.
Much rather sign J-Up long term.
Last edited by Carp; 06-08-2014 at 01:26 PM.
NinersSBChamps (06-08-2014)
Heyward has been our best player for well over a month now and if this continues then he will finish as our best player this year.
Natural Immunity Croc
He's better and younger than guys like Pence and Choo. I'm pretty confident he will get significantly more than they did this past off-season.
If you can't spell his name, don't offer up trades do him.
It won't surprise me if the Yanks or Red Sox sign Heyward for 20 mil, but I think it would be crazy for the Braves too. They just can't afford to take that risk with how inconsistent Heyward seems to be. If your best argument for paying Heyward 20 mil is that "at least he'll provide great defense and base running in RF, and hopefully his bat will come around" I don't think it's a good idea.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
Why would we get rid of Jason? We still have two years if anything. Extend him for 4-5 more and let's get over it haha
Well he isn't better offensively than those guys, which is what you get paid for. Nevertheless, I'm sure someone will give Heyward 20 million based largely on name and potential. They doesn't mean that team should be us.
NinersSBChamps (06-08-2014)
Oh wow 1 month. Well damn, let's write him a blank check now!
Let's see him do this over a full season.
In terms of projecting future performance over the next 4-5 years, I'd say Heyward is a 4.5-5.5 WAR player on average, Justin Upton 3.5-4.5 WAR and Freddie 4-5.
Guys like Pence and Choo are older and I would expect some decline. I'd say over the next 4-5 years Pence and Choo will average 3-4 WAR.
It is true that the market does not pay as much for the defensive component of WAR, but that is far from saying that it pays zero for it.
WAR is hardly accurate though. It puts a lot of value into defensive numbers of which we do not know their accuracy. Hell for the entire first month and half of the season or so that Heyward slept through, WAR valued him more highly than J-Up and Freddie who were killing it. I'm sorry but any stat that shows a .200BA/.600OPS hitter as more valuable than .300BA/.900OPS hitter just isnt worth a damn.
I feel very confident in saying that J-Up and Freddie will be significantly better hitters over the next 4-5 yrs than Heyward.
Last edited by Carp; 06-08-2014 at 02:10 PM.
Probably, but Jason will be a much better baserunner and fielder. Even if you don't agree with the value WAR places on defense you cannot deny that Jason isn't much much better in both of those categories.
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