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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    is wRC+ a counting stat?
    wRC+ accounts for park factors (Upton playing in Arizona)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    As I said I don't disagree that Freeman is our best hitter. My point is that there is not much separating him, Upton and Gattis. So there isn't much to choose from in terms of which one hits where. Secondary factors such as separating same-handed hitters come into consideration.

    I would try to avoid hitting Heyward, La Stella, Freeman 1-2-3.
    I would too.

    Heyward
    Upton
    Freeman
    Gattis

    then it really doesn't matter between Johnson, Upton, TLS, Simmons
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    wRC+ accounts for park factors (Upton playing in Arizona)
    what I meant is it influenced by number of plate appearances

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    I think we need to find a way to move TLS up in the order and move BEEJ down. I think that means you have to either move Heyward or Freeman to fifth and Jasons elite baserunning would be better utilized in the third hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I think we need to find a way to move TLS up in the order and move BEEJ down. I think that means you have to either move Heyward or Freeman to fifth and Jasons elite baserunning would be better utilized in the third hole.
    Heyward and TLS in the first two spots would be good.

    Then I would have one or two right-handed hitters between those two and Freeman.

    Those are the fundamentals. The variations within the theme are not worth getting exercised about.

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    Stella!
    Justin
    Heyward
    Gattis
    Freeman
    CJ
    BJ
    Simmons
    P

    Best 6 players getting the most at-bats with the best #8 guy in that spot and our current top producer with some real protection behind him. Only way it could potentially improve is if you hit BJ 9th.

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    I'd say we have 3 tiers of hitters.

    Freeman
    Upton

    Heyward
    Gattis

    TLS
    CJ
    BJ
    Simmons


    I would want to maximize/bunch the guys in the first 2 tiers as much as possible. Bc it's 2 righties and 2 lefties, it's easy to do.

    Heyward
    Upton
    Freeman
    Gattis
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    I'd say we have 3 tiers of hitters.

    Freeman
    Upton

    Heyward
    Gattis

    TLS
    CJ
    BJ
    Simmons


    I would want to maximize/bunch the guys in the first 2 tiers as much as possible. Bc it's 2 righties and 2 lefties, it's easy to do.

    Heyward
    Upton
    Freeman
    Gattis
    I think you're underestimating the value of having a high OBP player like La Stella ahead of your power hitters. His OBP track record is very impressive:

    2011 .401 in Low A
    2012 .386 in High A
    2013 .422 in AA
    2014 .384 in AAA
    2014 .449 in the majors

    Even if he is just a .370 OBP player going forward, that's high enough to justify hitting him first or second.

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    I like OBP and power at the top. Hate when managers put some middle infielder batting second that can bunt or hit and run. (watch college world series for extreme example)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    I'd say we have 3 tiers of hitters.

    Freeman
    Upton

    Heyward
    Gattis

    TLS
    CJ
    BJ
    Simmons


    I would want to maximize/bunch the guys in the first 2 tiers as much as possible. Bc it's 2 righties and 2 lefties, it's easy to do.

    Heyward
    Upton
    Freeman
    Gattis
    Sorry, but TLS is clearly a better hitter than the players you grouped him in with.

    The lineup needs to have Justin/Gattis hitting 2/4, and Heyward/Freeman/TLS hitting 1/3/5 in some order that doesn't have Freeman leading off.

    All 3 of these options work just fine:

    TLS, JUp, FF, Gattis, Heyward
    Heyward, JUp, FF, Gattis, TLS
    TLS, JUp, Heyward, Gattis, FF

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