I didn't think so—but since the subject of "walking away" was raised, it felt like a good juncture to air out some thoughts.
For me, it's not an issue of the Braves being bad for a few years; that I could wait out. I just fundamentally lack faith in the current John Hart regime. I'm not sure I buy that the man put in charge of taking the club fully into the wilderness has the right plan to take the club back out.
Honestly, it just feels like more "Schuerholz as usual"—and while as a general manager he did some great things, his missteps were often obscured, and his hegemony in the organization may not be the boon some might assume. Certainly, I was initially skeptical of Wren because he was a sort of pro forma appointed successor to Schuerholz, handpicked without much thought (seemingly) of looking outside the organization for fresh perspectives; by replacing him with Hart, the Braves seem to be doubling down on that idea, meanwhile conveniently inuring Schuerholz from any and all culpability in the errors of his previous pro forma appointed successor.
Maybe the good-old-boys triumvirate will prevail in the end; maybe Hart really is just making the unpopular decision to raze the slate for the young guy they're grooming; or maybe things won't work out and the Braves' nebulous ownership will really clean house if this team is still going nowhere in the first few years of the sparkly new suburban stadium. But I'm skeptical—and it's hard to say anymore I'm unequivocally rooting for these guys just because they're managing the Braves' front-office.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Braves1976 (11-17-2014)
Reading the Cardinals boards, they seem about as negative on the trade as the majority of posters here. Here is one poster which is fairly indicative of the majority of Cardinal responses:
4 years of Shelby when he had finally started to turn it around at the end of the year by using his breaking ball.
6+ years of Jenkins, who in the AFL really looks like he's on the verge of making it to the bigs and become a star.
FOR
1 year of a RF, who in the last two years has almost 1000 PA's and only has 25 HR's and less than 100 RBI..... and a career OPS of .781. And, oh yeah, he can't hit LHP to save his life!
and.....
2 years of a RP who could have been EASILY found on the FA market for a 2 yr/12M deal......
WHAT THE HECK JUST HAPPENED? Did Mo lose his mind???? Does he feel bad for the Cards getting Waino years ago?
Of all the trade "targets" we had heard about, this is 100% the one I was the least interested in AND he gave up MILLER AND JENKINS???
That package would have easily gotten them CarGo or Justin Upton who aren't limited to play against RHP only and could start to help the severe lack of power.....
To sum it up, AWFUL, HORRIBLE TRADE AND OVERPAY. WOW MO, WOW.....
BedellBrave (11-17-2014), BoneThrower (11-17-2014), CrimsonCowboy (11-17-2014), NYCBrave (11-17-2014), Runnin (11-17-2014)
jpx7 (11-17-2014)
#Braves Hart on JUpton: "As we sit here today, there certainly is a good chance Justin is back with us next year.”
Ivermectin Man
jpx7 (11-17-2014)
I agree that I don't think we're as pitching deficient as Hart thinks. We have guys and we have shown we can develop guys. With the money they saved on this trade they should be able to land a solid starter.
Can we get someone who can hit?
Hart said #Braves have talked to Gattis about move to LF and that he's onboard with whatever they want him to do.
Ivermectin Man
Maybe Justin and Jhey didn't like each other and Justin was all like "I'll sign an extension, if you trade that scrub making all those slidin catches in RF makin' me look all bad with the leather" and Hart was like "Dog, I got ya back, consider it done" and then they did some type of jive handshake that lasted for way too long.
Maybe.
Ivermectin Man
Diesel (11-17-2014), Metaphysicist (11-18-2014)
We traded Marte and kept Francoeur. Traded Heyward and kept Freeman. I see a pattern here with the good ole boys club.
holden (11-17-2014), Metaphysicist (11-18-2014), The Chosen One (11-17-2014)
bravesnumberone (11-17-2014), jpx7 (11-17-2014)
well heyward proved to us just how overvalued great defense was. if you can't score, you can't win.
now you fill in with a solid starter and another young guy on the cusp with a very high ceiling. you can use gattis to play in the outfield which makes a ton of sense if he is remotely capable of it. the guy is ten times the hitter heyward is. he's gonna be matt holiday playing full time. he'll look bad, but he'll hit and the braves will score.
this is such a great trade for the braves. it's just not even close how much the braves win here.
Uh, what?
In the first scenario neither panned out and one was traded for Ryan Church in a terrible OF for terrible OF swap. The other one signed a huge deal to ensure he stayed with his current club, and when approached for the same for Jason he balked rolling his dice on himself in FA.
How are those related exactly?
Ivermectin Man
evan gattis.
huge win here for the braves. i know you all loved jhey but you'll quickly forget about him when gattis is hitting 30 home runs and miller has 15 wins come next october. meanwhile heyward will finish another 12 home run season and will be asking for the moon in a new contract.