Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

[Tino25Dynasty]

I'm confused... Maybe we are in rebuild mode..... I'm more upset about Walden being traded than Heyward..... Great setup men are not that easy to find.... Walden was awesome

Heyward.... could go either way.... I guess they look at it like Jeff Francouer and think that if Heyward is to become the player they thought, it's not going to happen with them. Best of luck to the guy.

[Dalyn]

Kimbrel managed to save games with this ****ty team, so I guess one ****ty team is as good as the next. It sucks for him because he signed a long contract with a competitive team and somehow ended up on the Astros.

[jpx7]

In other news, the Cardinals have a sick lineup.

****ing Hart: trades my favorite player to the team I loathe most—for an overrated pitcher, no less—all so the team can punt until they move to the suburbs.

[Millwood1Hitter]

Or Austin Jackson, you know to fill the black quota

An Action Jackson along with a BJ later on sounds really good.

[JohnAdcox]

Did anyone hear if St Louis released the hostages now that their demands were met?

[57Brave]

I thought the Braves should have waited , gotten Cole Hamels for the .270 hitting corner OF with no power. Then had the Phils pick up 70% of Hamels salary.
Screw John Hart, Fredi Gonzalez , Bobby Cox and Fred Haney.

edit:
Didn't realize the JHey slugging % was a paltry .384 this season a mere .020 more than Chris Johnson and in fact Freeman had more triples !!
After 4 years in the bigs -- this has nothing to do with line ups or hitting oaches.
Please remember this team won only 79 games.

[gilesfan]

LMAO, ok. Lemme guess, the a Nats still have a better rotation. Lol

Are you asking if Strasburg, Zimmermann, Fister, Gio, and Roark; who put up 1000 IP with a 3.04 ERA and 3.24 ERA is better than Teheran, Wood, Minor, Miller, Walker; the answer is yes. But, so are several other starting pitching staffs.

[Millwood1Hitter]

I'm confused... Maybe we are in rebuild mode..... I'm more upset about Walden being traded than Heyward..... Great setup men are not that easy to find.... Walden was awesome

Heyward.... could go either way.... I guess they look at it like Jeff Francouer and think that if Heyward is to become the player they thought, it's not going to happen with them. Best of luck to the guy.

Really? Walden was very good but oft injured and his production slipped whenever given the opportunity to take on a large workload and work multiple days in a row. But collectively we should have gotten more for Heyward and a quality late inning guy like Walden than what we got.

[gilesfan]

Because FIP is such an amazing STAT right? Lol plz.

Want to use ERA?

[VirginiaBrave]

We were warned. The Braves way is pitching first. We didn't have enough. We will compete in 2016.

[jpx7]

We will compete in 2016.

I'm damn skeptical of that premise.

[Millwood1Hitter]

I don't get this GM's obsession with pitching. If there is one thing the Braves can do it's pitching. We develop starters and we can put together bull pens. We have some 5th starter types close and a high ceiling guy in Sims. We have young guys in Tehran, Wood, and Minor.

We seem to be desperate to put in a C who can't hit to go with our SS who can't hit. We are stuck with a CF who can't hit. We cut a 2B who can't hit.

You see my friend, Hart failed to put together a formiable rotation with a top of the rotation type starter during his tenure in Cleveland that probably would have lead to a World Series if he done so....so now he is acquiring arms and dreaming of putting together a potentially great pitching staff so when it's all said and done he can say that he built the mega team in the history of baseball

The offense of the mid 90's Cleveland Indians along with the pitching of the 2017 Atlanta Braves

[Tino25Dynasty]

I don't get why we would go into rebuild mode anyway? We weren't that far off.... Just had a some underperforming players... Mostly on offense that needed to be shuffled. Otherwise, pitching was pretty good.

I hope John Schuerholz didn't sign off on this

[Tino25Dynasty]

Really? Walden was very good but oft injured and his production slipped whenever given the opportunity to take on a large workload and work multiple days in a row. But collectively we should have gotten more for Heyward and a quality late inning guy like Walden than what we got.

It's not that I think he was an All Star or anything but lets face it.... The overwhelmingly majority of the time, he did his job which was get the ball to Kimbrel

[depley]

Ok Braves traded 11M of payroll for 500K with 4 years of control in Shelby Miller (6 years for the other pitcher). This using a player they have tried in the past to extend, who seem to have no interest in that or wanted way to much money for what he has show at the plate.

Mark DeRosa put in nicely, .271 with 11 homers....... there are bench guys that do that.

I want everyone to stop and remember this trade. Wainright for one year of JD Drew. This is really the same trade only coming back the Braves way. Miller was a #1 pick for the Cards, just as Wainright was for the Braves.

[acesfull86]

FWIW, in 2013, Miller checked in at #32 on Fangraphs' trade value list (Heyward at #45). A year later it looks a little worse for the Braves, but I have a feeling both guys are going to have big years with their new clubs.

[Millwood1Hitter]

I don't get why we would go into rebuild mode anyway? We weren't that far off.... Just had a some underperforming players... Mostly on offense that needed to be shuffled. Otherwise, pitching was pretty good.

I hope John Schuerholz didn't sign off on this

I'll bet my house that he did, and he just didn't sign a piece of paper. Then again, it's never a very good idea to bet your house with JS.

BUT I will guarentee

If the move works out and proves to be genius, JS was behind the move....and if doesn't....well his long-time friend Hart will be pushed aside like his long-time colleague Wren

[Hawk]

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
John Hart says the #Braves are better short term and long term with trade

[The Chosen One]

Miller will be out with arm trouble by the break.

Cards will put Heyward in the middle if the order and he'll out produce Freddie.

[PurpleBrave]

Heyward's WAR was like a 7. His replacement better be good