Official off-season trade rumor and suggestion thread

[gilesfan]

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...in-really-cost

Makes a good case for a win to be worth 7 million or slightly above.

Thus, starting at 5, you get 25 WAR worth $193.9 million

Starting at 4.5 would result in 21 WAR worth $165.4 million

I'd say fair market value for his contract is around $27-$28 million per year. If they socked $12,000,000 away to pay for his future contract (which in 2017 they will be required to do), they would have $98 million at the end of the 7 year deal at a rate of 5%.

[gilesfan]

Fister had his worst peripheral season, only reason his ERA was down aside from league difference was an impossibly low to maintain BABIP.

Certainly. He also had lowest LD rate of his career and highest strikeout to walk ratio. But, a large part of his success is getting away from Detroit's terrible infield defense (.332 BABP in 2013)

[skillet]

Astros about to sign Vogelsong.

[Tapate50]

Really glad we pulled the trigger on this rebuild now to be honest. That's an uphill battle to play that roster.

[CyYoung31]

Really glad we pulled the trigger on this rebuild now to be honest. That's an uphill battle to play that roster.

It wasn't an either/or situation.

[zbhargrove]

It wasn't an either/or situation.

How was it not?

[CyYoung31]

How was it not?

This has been documented ad-nauseam, but the Braves could have kept one of Heyward and Upton and still rebuilt the farm.

[Heyward]

It wasn't an either/or situation.

It absolutely was.

[ramadon101]

This has been documented ad-nauseam, but the Braves could have kept one of Heyward and Upton and still rebuilt the farm.

I do believe that the Braves could have extended Justin but not Heyward. I don't have any firm basis to say this (I'm reading between the lines) but I suspect their preference was to keep Jason long term (and thought Justin was too risky of a "boom or bust" type offensively to extend for 7 years or so)- I believe the Braves would have been eager to sign Heyward if they were at all within the same zipcode AAV wise. All water under the bridge now, of course...

But the point still is valid- even with Heyward still here, we wouldn't have much of a realistic chance at competing for the NL East or the wildcard. The Nationals, the Cardinals and the Dodgers pretty much have a chokehold on their respective divisions and then there are much better teams than our 2014 roster behind them competing for the wild card. And if we tried to compete and failed, we would have received draft picks which would not have nearly "rebuilt" the farm the way this offseason's trades have.

[depley]

money is making the difference, the Nationals are pushing 170M in payroll now, the Braves are just over 93M

[Tapate50]

money is making the difference, the Nationals are pushing 170M in payroll now, the Braves are just over 93M

Sucking so hard you get TWO all world prospects doesn't hurt either

[zbhargrove]

This has been documented ad-nauseam, but the Braves could have kept one of Heyward and Upton and still rebuilt the farm.

It has been documented ad-nauseam... and there is no conclusive agreement. Just bitterness because a fan favorite was traded away even though it made better financial sense.

[zbhargrove]

Sucking so hard you get TWO all world prospects doesn't hurt either

Two all world prospects that have falling well short of expectations thus far too... always induces a chuckle... but even more when gf comes to defend them.

[CyYoung31]

It has been documented ad-nauseam... and there is no conclusive agreement. Just bitterness because a fan favorite was traded away even though it made better financial sense.

Exactly. There has been no conclusive agreement, so people need to quit treating the complete rebuild as the only alternative.

[sturg33]

Exactly. There has been no conclusive agreement, so people need to quit treating the complete rebuild as the only alternative.

Agreed. I think the best option would have been to rebuild, but do so in a way that sets up in 2 years. what we have done doesn't do that.

Trade Upton (same trade I guess)
Trade Gattis (same trade)
Trade Kimbrel
Make the same exact smaller trades (Banuelos, Viscaino, Winkler, etc.)

Extent Heyward ($200M for 8 years)
Sign Moancada

If the money is allegedly there for 2017, then this is the route that should have been done. Instead, we tore down the entire offense and replaced them with no offensive help

[rico43]

I honestly believe that signing Moancada is still a real possibility.

[thethe]

I honestly believe that signing Moancada is still a real possibility.

It would certainly be a great sign from the organization that money will be less of an issue moving forward.

[NinersSBChamps]

Can Moncada hit decently?

[Dalyn]

It absolutely was.

It absolutely was not.

[Millwood1Hitter]

Can Moncada hit decently?

Look when you look at a guy that is talented as Moncada is and what he can do as far as hitting a baseball, one has to look into potentially turning him into a pitcher and see if there is something there, maybe some unknown potential that no one knows how high the ceiling can get, because, look, he's been pigeonholed into the position that he is now placed in, and the limits have not been pushed. And even if it doesn't work out, it at least removes the burden of wondering, when and if he is going to need Tommy John surgery playing 3rd base.