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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Here's my trade idea du jour: Simmons to the Red Sox for Betts and Bogaerts
    Very interesting. The Sox are looking like they will acquire both Hanley and Pablo, so they have somewhat of a glut in the IF and OF.

    I doubt moving Simmons is even being remotely considered though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Very interesting. The Sox are looking like they will acquire both Hanley and Pablo, so they have somewhat of a glut in the IF and OF.

    I doubt moving Simmons is even being remotely considered though.
    They have an interesting assortment of disposable pieces. But for the most part I wouldn't be interested except at bargain basement prices. But Bogaerts and Betts have real upside and would help us solve some of our weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    They have an interesting assortment of disposable pieces. But for the most part I wouldn't be interested except at bargain basement prices. But Bogaerts and Betts have real upside and would help us solve some of our weaknesses.
    I have a feeling Hamels will be in Boston soon, and the Phils will get a nice little package of position players in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I have a feeling Hamels will be in Boston soon, and the Phils will get a nice little package of position players in return.
    Hart's master plan: purge all expensive assets right now for young talent, and mid season after Boston falls in the crapper, acquire Hamels, Panda, Hanley, & Cespedas along with 80% of their salary paid for Even Gattis & Mike Minor. The precusor to this would be the firing of the one and only Fredi Gonzalez.

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    Gattis and JUp to Seattle for Walker, Miller and Saunders
    Minor to LA for Kemp
    CJ to SF for anything
    Sign Tomas for $15M per year
    Sign Masterson to 1 year $12M pillow contract, then give him a QO after the season
    Payroll (including BJ and Uggla): ~$110M

    C - CB
    1B - Freeman
    2B - Peraza
    3B - Miller
    SS - Simmons
    LF - Tomas
    CF - Saunders/BJ platoon
    RF - Kemp

    SPs - Teheran, Wood, Masterson, Walker, Miller

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I have a feeling Hamels will be in Boston soon, and the Phils will get a nice little package of position players in return.
    Like Cespedes, Craig, Middlebrooks, Victorino, Nava?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Gattis and JUp to Seattle for Walker, Miller and Saunders
    Minor to LA for Kemp
    CJ to SF for anything
    Sign Tomas for $15M per year
    Sign Masterson to 1 year $12M pillow contract, then give him a QO after the season
    Payroll (including BJ and Uggla): ~$110M

    C - CB
    1B - Freeman
    2B - Peraza
    3B - Miller
    SS - Simmons
    LF - Tomas
    CF - Saunders/BJ platoon
    RF - Kemp

    SPs - Teheran, Wood, Masterson, Walker, Miller
    If we gave Tomas $15 mil/year, would we have to pay 100% tax on that? I'm confused as to how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    If we gave Tomas $15 mil/year, would we have to pay 100% tax on that? I'm confused as to how it works.
    No, there is no 100% tax for signing Tomas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    No, there is no 100% tax for signing Tomas.
    lol thanks, but what about Moncada? I asked a similar question in the other thread you answered me in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    lol thanks, but what about Moncada? I asked a similar question in the other thread you answered me in.
    Yes, the 100% tax is true for Moncada but not for Tomas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Yes, the 100% tax is true for Moncada but not for Tomas.
    Sorry, so if he signed for 4/60 (just a quick example) teams would actually be paying 30 mil a year? Or is the tax just in the 1st year?

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    I'd really like to see us kick the tires on Brandon McCarthy if we miss out on Lester. No draft pick compensation I don't think and I don't think he will break the bank in FA either in years or total $. He could do well in this park.

    Deal Minor to Tex along with Upton, and this guy can come in and do very well here.
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    I wonder what it would take to get Jackie Bradley Jr....and if he's worth it or not. He could be a good buy low option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    I'd really like to see us kick the tires on Brandon McCarthy if we miss out on Lester. No draft pick compensation I don't think and I don't think he will break the bank in FA either in years or total $. He could do well in this park.

    Deal Minor to Tex along with Upton, and this guy can come in and do very well here.
    I could see McCarthy doing very very well here, maybe come up as huge as Harang did this last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I wonder what it would take to get Jackie Bradley Jr....and if he's worth it or not. He could be a good buy low option.
    For those who advocate rushing prospects, Bradley may be an example of why caution should be employed. I don't watch these guys day-to-day so I don't have any idea if he was ready or not, but I get the impression that Bradley was moved way too fast.

    He could very well be a cheap option for CF, but I wonder if he is a reclamation project and, if so, how much of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I wonder what it would take to get Jackie Bradley Jr....and if he's worth it or not. He could be a good buy low option.
    Yes. We should be trying to accumulate some alternatives to play center. I don't expect Bradley to turn into a major league regular, but there is still a chance and at the right price he would be worth picking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Sorry, so if he signed for 4/60 (just a quick example) teams would actually be paying 30 mil a year? Or is the tax just in the 1st year?
    Moncada would not sign for 4/60, he would sign for a one time bonus. The Braves would be taxed only on the amount of that bonus over their allotted international spending amount. That is why folks thought it was a big deal when the Braves traded TLS to the Cubs for $800k in international pool money. Any amount added to that pool was essentially worth "double" since it would also reduce the portion of the bonus taxed at 100%.

    If Moncada is signed he becomes just like any other amateur acquired through the draft or international market. He would go to the minors and be subject to the same 6 years of team control at the MLB level, arbitration, the whole 9 yards.

    The reason Tomas is different is because he has spent enough years in professional baseball in Cuba, so he is no longer considered an amateur. He is considered a regular FA for all intents and purposes of this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Like Cespedes, Craig, Middlebrooks, Victorino, Nava?
    No idea, but if the Phils are smart they would target 2-3 young guys to help the rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwood1Hitter View Post
    I could see McCarthy doing very very well here, maybe come up as huge as Harang did this last year.
    I would rather see Hart finalize the rotation with Masterson. He should be looking for a 1 year deal to reestablish his value for next offseason. The Braves could get 200 innings of 3.5 FIP ball out of him for ~$12M, and then make a QO at the end of the year to get a draft pick.

    In fact, that is a strategy I would like to see the Braves employ routinely. There always seems to be a couple players each offseason looking for a 1 year deal to prove they are healthy and/or still productive. Sign 1-2 of them each year and net some extra draft picks (or lottery tickets) when they rebound and sign for bigger money the following offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I would rather see Hart finalize the rotation with Masterson. He should be looking for a 1 year deal to reestablish his value for next offseason. The Braves could get 200 innings of 3.5 FIP ball out of him for ~$12M, and then make a QO at the end of the year to get a draft pick.

    In fact, that is a strategy I would like to see the Braves employ routinely. There always seems to be a couple players each offseason looking for a 1 year deal to prove they are healthy and/or still productive. Sign 1-2 of them each year and net some extra draft picks (or lottery tickets) when they rebound and sign for bigger money the following offseason.
    Yep, and I like to call them a JC special, as it's been noted a few times already he's been great in this regard of finding these type of players that come out of nowhere and make significant contributions in a pinch to our club (Harang, Sheets, Carpenter)

    Now that we got a competant hitting coach, hopefully we can start doing things like this as well to positional players instead of just McDowell with pitchers.

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