If we could get that deal and them to take (most of) ****ty Upton as part of the price for getting the two RH bats they're looking for I'd wet myself.Originally Posted by Enscheff
If we could get that deal and them to take (most of) ****ty Upton as part of the price for getting the two RH bats they're looking for I'd wet myself.
Well they won't. Figure JUp and Walker are about equal in value, and Gattis is worth Miller and Saunders plus some prospect gravy. Drop the prospect, add a chunk of cash from the Braves side, and there might be a chance.
Problem is BJ would likely serve well as a 4th OFer and platoon partner with Saunders (not to mention Saunders is considered injury prone), so I think I would rather have BJ on the bench plus the extra prospect.
I could see a valid argument for the trade being BJ/JUp/Gattis/Cash for Walker/Miller/Saunders though, depending on how the saved cash was used.
Last edited by Enscheff; 11-22-2014 at 05:31 PM.
I don't think I touch Ackley unless they wanted to add him as a throw in, which they won't. His ability to get on base is a huge concern, even in the 2nd half of last yr. And he's a LFer with not that much pop.
He can also play 2B (although he was quite decent in LF for Seattle last year).
If the Braves could nab him on the cheap I would love to throw him out there -- especially over guys like Pastornicky/Gosselin where the upside is basically nil. Ackley has a tremendous raw skillset and I think it would do him a lot of good to get back to his geographical roots.
This would be beautiful.
BTW, Safeco is an unbelievably bad hitter's dungeon. Way worse than Turner. Maybe not as bad as Petco, but beef up or down stats accordingly.
If you put Seager in Yankee Stadium, he'd be Eddie Mathews.
See my comments on hitting in Safeco.
His swing looked really good - even beautiful- in July/August last year. He carried that team for two months. I think the only reason he was moved to left was they had Franklin, and Miller, and Taylor, and somebody had to go. And of course then they signed Cano, so he's never going back there up here. But he can play it pretty well. And an .800 OPS isn't out of the question if you get him out of there.
Hawk (11-22-2014)
Olney: "Rival evaluators expect that the Braves will trade Justin Upton after the trade of Jason Heyward. But, although some understand the Braves’ efforts to land young, controllable pitching, like Shelby Miller, they wonder why Atlanta has seemed focused solely on pitching in its proposed deals rather than just taking the best players available. “If they only talk to teams that are willing to discuss front-line pitching prospects,” said one AL official, “they’re going to limit themselves.” Additionally, evaluators say, it’s actually more difficult right now to find good young position players than it is to find pitching."
Braves1976 (11-22-2014), bravesnumberone (11-22-2014), Dalyn (11-22-2014)
I wonder seriously if we are even bothering to have extension talks with Justin.
Being a baseball season ticket holder at UNC for 15 years....I watched both Ackley and Seager play and it amazes me how their careers have turned out. Ackley was, without a doubt, one of the best college hitters I have ever seen....he was amazing. Seagar, while a very good player, was not the prospect Ackley was. Yet, Seager is having the better pro career...so far. Not surprising, just interesting how these things turn out. I think some hitting coach messed with Ackley's mechanics and he has not gotten it back. He is only 26 so there is time.
I couldn't agree more. I sure hope we aren't just focused on pitching. We actually have good pitching right now. Our hitting on the other hand stinks.
Yeah, I've wondered that as well, but it's possible the Braves have changed their philosophy after getting two good young pitchers in the Heyward deal. Hart has recently stated that suddenly the Braves option are almost infinite at this point. Will be an interesting Winter Meetings.
thank you weso1!
No. Impossible. They took the best offer available. No way they limited their return by focusing on the team's strength (last year).
Sure. They talked for about ten minutes when he was traded. Plenty of time.
The Braves have always gone about things through the perception of need over talent. It's why we traded Tex for Kotchman, why we drafted Joey Devine. It's probably why we drafted Jon Gilmore over Mike Stanton. I don't think it's a particular great philosophy but that and just go after pitching are the Braves Way.
All you need is Hart and Cox.
Justin probably asked for a non-insulting offer and they hung up.
All you need is Hart and Cox.
It takes real focus to build one of the worst offenses in the game.
bravesnumberone (11-22-2014)
But, by trading the rest of our offense for great pitching, we'll save money and go sign Torii the motherfreaking man Hunter, who will help us for 2017.
Another way to look at it is like this: If they can get numerous high-end pitching prospects then that will allow you to flip them or Sims/Hursh/Cabrera/Martin or Mike Minor for a positional player when the time comes.
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
We WILL need a new manager.
Braves1976 (11-22-2014)
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