I have no confidence at all in the Braves ever closing a deal with a FA.Originally Posted by Hawk
I have no confidence at all in the Braves ever closing a deal with a FA.
I like Markakis. Low strikeout guy and can be a leader here.
Can be a leader based on what?
If we give him more than $8-9 mil a year, it's a poor move that will be worse in two years. There's no upside there.
He wanted more than $12.5 from the Os.
The negative crap gets old. It's not a debate, just an opinion. I seriously don't know why I come here.
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I would love to get one of Boston's extra outfielders -mainly Allen Craig- but I don't think we match up too well with them in a trade since they are looking for starting pitching.
UNLESS we get a third team involved who would have extra pitching and also have a need for Upton or Gattis. Obviously we would want some of Boston's prospects in return as well and some that could interest us might include:
1. Henry Owens- LHP
2. Garin Cecchini- 3B
3. Mauel Margot- OF
4. Anthony Ranaudo- RHP
5. Matt Barnes- RHP
6. Eduardo Rodriguez- LHP
7. Will Middlebrooks- 3B
"Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon"
I think the point is he would be around longer for a lot cheaper. Decent to good average, a little pop, and good defense. If you can get him for 4/45 or less, he'd be a pretty good sign, imo.
Plus, we got Miller and Jenkins out of the deal. No way we could sign a pitcher of Miller's quality for 7-8 million per yr.
Last edited by Carp; 12-02-2014 at 09:12 PM.
How is it a poor move? He isn't exactly old at 30 yrs old.
While I'm still holding out hope for a more dynamic young outfielder via the trade market, Markakis is a decent option as long as he's valued appropriately. His defensive metrics are not as bad as I had originally thought, and he hits LHP reasonably well for a LHH. Would provide a veteran presence that we know is a priority for the new braintrust. Problem is, I think it would take something like 4 for $40M (and likely more) to get him and that is probably a bit too much for a player on the decline.
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#Braves asst. GM John Coppolella and manager Fredi Gonzalez flew up to Baltimore on Monday to have dinner with free agent OF Nick Markakis.
FTR, im not saying i would sign him but if not Markakis, then who?
I'm not saying i'd sign him especially for what he may cost but who would you get.
Just tank the next 2 years and see who they can get in 2017 then?
He just turned 31.
I thought he was 33 or 34, makes me not hate it as much if they signed him.
I dont have a problem with it, need some bats.
He's also averaged 1.7 WAR the last 6 years. He's been an average player in his prime. Even if he performs the same way the next 4 years he isn't worth 12-13 million a year.
Braves1976 (12-02-2014)
Sure. Spending money just to spend it is never a wise move. If you are going to spend money then do what the Cubs have done and sign guys to 1 year deals and move them at the trade deadline.
Braves1976 (12-02-2014)
I'm pretty indifferent between Markakis, Alex Rios, Aoki and before he signed with the Twins Torii Hunter. I think they all are likely to be 1-2 WAR players in 2015. To me the best option of the four is the one willing to settle for the shortest deal. Hunter or Rios on a one-year deal or Aoki on a two-year deal is far better from a risk-return perspective than Markakis on a four-year deal. So much so I'd be willing to pay a higher AAV to keep the years down.
We could also pick up someone like Victorino or Cody Ross for a relatively small price on the trade market. Those two guys would be in the last year of their contracts.
Last edited by nsacpi; 12-02-2014 at 09:41 PM.
Braves1976 (12-02-2014)
Because he just isn't that good.
Uggla started his four-year deal with us during his age 32 season. If we signed Markakis he would be starting what I presume will be a four-year deal in his age 31 season. We really need to absorb the lesson about aging curves for players as they go from 30 to 35.
Braves1976 (12-02-2014)
Exactly. Plus Aoki is available at least 4 million less (maybe even 5-7 million less) for a short term deal. Probably can sign him at no more than 6-8 million per over two years. I'd be okay with that type of deal considering how consistent Aoki has been over the last three years.
So when asked to support this opinion, you shut down?
I'm way more on board with Aoki at his likely price than Markakis at his.
It could be a five year deal for Markakis, though maybe he takes 4 but if so it seems that it would cost us 12-13 million per season (and probably no less AAV on either a four or five year deal).
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