My point is that its difficult to predict an individual player who doesn't have a large major league sample and is young.
An article was posted that looked at the effectiveness of these projection systems when looking at all projections that are made.
My retort is that a large enough sample size and anything is predictable because in essence you are averaging your bad guesses in both directions. This basically means you cannot say that since they were effective at projecting the total population that are are effective in projected player X.
Natural Immunity Croc
The projections for young players were pretty damn accurate.
In essence you are saying, that despite the studies doing really well, it doesn't pertain to Teheran so that estimate is worthless?
So, what is the possibility that they are wrong on Teheran (and his ERA will be higher)? Is it 50%?
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
That makes more sense.
Projection system spit out the most likely outcome for each player based on previous performance and for most players the most likely outcome is a league average player (hence AVERAGE).
I agree with you that young players are extremely difficult to project. But players with two years of data you get a very broad sense of what they are. Steamer does a decent enough job of giving a sense of what to expect, but only a fool would rule out outperforming or underperforming that projection. It's nearly impossible to know either way.
Fans are inherently bullish on players in their own team and bearish on the other teams players. It's what makes being a fan fun. I wish I could be as optimistic as thethe is. I guarantee there isn't a person on this board who gets more utility out of watching sports than him.
Tapate50 (12-22-2014)
Young players and young players with the talent of Tehearn/Wood are not the same thing.
What the percentage is as you asked? I have no way of coming up with a number but I would think that the percentage is much higher that the were too conservative with their projections and that Teheran/Wood will do better than do worse.
Natural Immunity Croc
Yes I understand that. My beef is not necessarily with the projections, but more so Giles for putting so much faith into them.
I completely understand that pitchers have lucky/unlucky seasons sometimes. But giles seems to think it would be some sort of miracle that 2 pitchers that have pitched like top 20 pitchers over the last 2 seasons, might just pitch that way again.
Getting back on topic....I think we have to trade Gattis this offseason. I don't want to run him out in Lf risking injury and hurting his value. How about Alex Gonzalez or Jake Thompson and Michael Choice for Gattis?
Dalyn (12-22-2014)