Death Penalty

[AerchAngel]

I know we have a thread on it (a long time ago) and some states are reversing it.

As tax payers, you are paying for them to live out their lives for the crimes (BABY/kids specifically that is all I care about) they committed. Yes some of those were innocent and we need to study why some of the innocent dies.

DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR THEM KILLING A BABY/CHILD AFTER RAPING THEM AND THEY HAVE 120% EVIDENCE.

Do not duck the question. A child living in Hell while being raped and never grow up due to this monster. Think about it.

[keithlaw]

Technically we're paying for them to live out their lives even if we execute them.

[AerchAngel]

Technically we're paying for them to live out their lives even if we execute them.

How so?

[Gary82]

Why do we have the death penalty? Are we afraid these people are going to escape? Is it to appease the victim's family?

[goldfly]

yes

like slavery, the death penalty should be abolished

[sturg33]

It is crazy how much we spend on prisoners.

But the problem there is the amount of prisoners locked up, not how we care for them. I think the stat is nearly 75% of our prison population is non-violent offenders. What a joke.

And I am against the death penalty in all circumstances

[Krgrecw]

I'm for the death penalty.

Sentences should be harsher so people will commit less crimes in the future.

[zitothebrave]

I'm for the death penalty.

Sentences should be harsher so people will commit less crimes in the future.

Because that's been highly proven to work.

Lets see murder rate in the US is about middle of the pack. Compare it to some of our first world compatriots who don't have the death penalty,

Higher than Canada and higher than the entire average of Europe, and Belarus is the only European country with the death penalty (and their murder rate is higher than ours so they're not moving the sticks in your favor) higher than australia, could go on, but in most countries with a similar social unrest situation and economic situation as ours, death penalty isn't a deterrent. That's a fact. People list it as a fact that it's a deterrent because it's stopped them from killing someone, but I would probably rather die than spend my life getting beaten and raped in prison.

[weso1]

Governments also save on reaching plea deals in cases where the death penalty is in play. I'm pro death penalty largely because of that and because the families of victims deserve appeasement.

But not really a huge deal if some are so vehemently against it. It's something I'm willing to give up in some sort of compromise. I really don't understand why some liberals seem to make it one of their top issues.

[zitothebrave]

Governments also save on reaching plea deals in cases where the death penalty is in play. I'm pro death penalty largely because of that and because the families of victims deserve appeasement.

But not really a huge deal if some are so vehemently against it. It's something I'm willing to give up in some sort of compromise. I really don't understand why some liberals seem to make it one of their top issues.

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=556

Some highlights as I doubt you'll read it

• There is no correlation between state’s possessing the death penalty and their ability to get life sentences. The best available studies show that, while the presence of the death penalty might make District Attorneys drive harder bargains, there was no impact on the overall probability of a plea

• There is good reason to believe that the death penalty makes plea bargains less likely—as Northwestern University Economics Professor Jeff Ely puts it, “The threat of the death penalty makes defendants more willing to accept a given plea bargain offer. But a tough-on-crime DA takes up the slack by making tougher offers. What is the net effect…the threat of the death penalty results in fewer plea bargains and more cases going to trial.”


• The threat of execution can be enough to scare people into taking responsibility for crimes they did not commit, especially since many of these confessions come at the end of grueling interrogations in which police are permitted to lie to suspects about the evidence, or lack thereof, gathered against them. DNA evidence has exonerated a number of prisoners who are serving life sentences on the basis of these coerced pleas. As recently as 2009, the Governor of Nebraska had to release 6 prisoners, five of whom had falsely confessed, for a rape and murder that occurred more than twenty years earlier. Peoples’ lives are ruined in this process, even if they are released. Richard Danziger, a Texas man put in jail because of an associates’ death penalty-inspired plea, suffered severe brain damage as a result of beatings he received in prison for a rape he had nothing to do with.

Basically the idea that the death penalty is a bargaining chip is more dangerous than actually helpful by all serious accounts.

It's not really a top issue for me. It's my moral equivalency that abortion is to many republicans, except that my state could be doing the killing. My opinion, states can have it if they want it, but federal dollars shouldn't be funding it.

[weso1]

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[zitothebrave]

There's links done in the article, you can feel free to post a counter argument if you want. I doubt the sources will be as well regarded as Princeton or Northwestern.

[weso1]

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[Krgrecw]

There's links done in the article, you can feel free to post a counter argument if you want. I doubt the sources will be as well regarded as Princeton or Northwestern.

Your sources are two very liberal schools? I imagine which way they'd twist the stats around

[zitothebrave]

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Your source is? I'm guessing something you once heard in a conversation without statistical citing.

[zitothebrave]

Your sources are two very liberal schools? I imagine which way they'd twist the stats around

All schools are liberal if they don't tote your agenda. Welcome to the propaganda loop.

[weso1]

Your source is? I'm guessing something you once heard in a conversation without statistical citing.

my source is prodeathpenalty.com

[weso1]

It's actually debatable that the death penalty saves lives. link So technically if you are against the death penalty then you are potentially for more human deaths.

[BedellBrave]

Our penal system is all screwed up. It's the new eugenics.

[zitothebrave]

my source is prodeathpenalty.com

Link please.