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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    In a vacuum sure. But not what we would have to give up and pay for him. I'll take Johnson right now.
    I thought everything was in a vacuum with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    I thought everything was in a vacuum with you.
    Well, when I was younger..nevermind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    I'd still rather have Headley in the long run.
    Headley is a FA after next year.

    Not unless we got a window to sign him to an extension.

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    Ok Zito, who do you trade Johnson for?

    He's 27, entering his prime, maybe he's just fulfilling his potential.

    If someone offers a haul, you consider it, but I wouldn't trade him just to trade him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Ok Zito, who do you trade Johnson for?

    He's 27, entering his prime, maybe he's just fulfilling his potential.

    If someone offers a haul, you consider it, but I wouldn't trade him just to trade him.
    So it's not a matter of who we'd trade for, it's a matter of what will teams give up for him.

    I'd say it's a no brainer to sell high on him. Wren has made plenty of trade rapes the last few years.

    Let's trade him for Prado and have Zona eat up Martin's salary.
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    The one thing about trading CJ while his value is high is that other team's gms aren't idiots. They'll see that astronomically high BABIP and think what everyone else thinks...it's a fluke, or no way in this world he'll be able to duplicate it.

    I have no idea what his value would be in the trade market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary82 View Post
    The one thing about trading CJ while his value is high is that other team's gms aren't idiots. They'll see that astronomically high BABIP and think what everyone else thinks...it's a fluke, or no way in this world he'll be able to duplicate it.

    I have no idea what his value would be in the trade market.
    There's always a GM out there who will look at the numbers are do the trade anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Ok Zito, who do you trade Johnson for?

    He's 27, entering his prime, maybe he's just fulfilling his potential.

    If someone offers a haul, you consider it, but I wouldn't trade him just to trade him.
    First some correction, he's 28, he's exiting his prime. He has a year or 2 in it and the myth of entering prime in late 20s is just that.

    Most indications are he'll peak this year or next year (though next year would be a power peak by my guess, can't hit for a better BABIP)

    As far as offers. If anyone is willing to give us a serious prospect we have to take that. I don't expect to get a top 50 prospect for him. But let's say the Mariners want a 1B, and they offer one of their good prospects we have to make that move.

    Johnson's value is easily replaceable. Even his insane year he is a sub 3 WAR player. Someone like La Stella coudl crush him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    First some correction, he's 28, he's exiting his prime. He has a year or 2 in it and the myth of entering prime in late 20s is just that.

    Most indications are he'll peak this year or next year (though next year would be a power peak by my guess, can't hit for a better BABIP)

    As far as offers. If anyone is willing to give us a serious prospect we have to take that. I don't expect to get a top 50 prospect for him. But let's say the Mariners want a 1B, and they offer one of their good prospects we have to make that move.

    Johnson's value is easily replaceable. Even his insane year he is a sub 3 WAR player. Someone like La Stella coudl crush him.
    Lol, 26-34 is around prime years in baseball, so you're wrong there.

    I don't expect anyone to offer that much for him but some GM's are dumb so who knows.

    LaStella could or he could just as easily bust.

    I'd prefer to trade Uggla if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Lol, 26-34 is around prime years in baseball, so you're wrong there..
    Prove it
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Prove it


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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Prove it
    Prove how it's not.

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    Current a .430 BABIP. It's so flukey it's amazing. I hope most fans know how to put that in perspective. If Johnson is on the team next season(sell high Wren) please don't ***** about him not "hitting" like he has this season. You'll be asking for the impossible...unless of course you are under the impression he's become the greatest hitter known to human existence...
    All you need is Hart and Cox.

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    MP is not having a great season definitely not worth the money he is getting..



    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStark View Post
    So it's not a matter of who we'd trade for, it's a matter of what will teams give up for him.

    I'd say it's a no brainer to sell high on him. Wren has made plenty of trade rapes the last few years.

    Let's trade him for Prado and have Zona eat up Martin's salary.

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    What are you talking about, he has a .932 OPS and he is on pace for 2.0+ WAR per 100 at bats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Lol, 26-34 is around prime years in baseball, so you're wrong there.
    If they are using steroids. He's in his prime right now, not about to enter it. 30 is the magical cutoff for me. After that anything can happen to a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Prove how it's not.
    Easy, no player has a 9 year prime. Pretty much defeats the meaning of prime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    What are you talking about, he has a .932 OPS and he is on pace for 2.0+ WAR per 100 at bats!
    He has a 2.2 fWAR right now with 353 PA while currently at his hot point (hint, he's gonna have some regression pretty soon)
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    He has a 2.2 fWAR right now with 353 PA while currently at his hot point (hint, he's gonna have some regression pretty soon)
    You missed the joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BremanFan88 View Post
    Current a .430 BABIP. It's so flukey it's amazing. I hope most fans know how to put that in perspective. If Johnson is on the team next season(sell high Wren) please don't ***** about him not "hitting" like he has this season. You'll be asking for the impossible...unless of course you are under the impression he's become the greatest hitter known to human existence...
    I don't think anyone will. Although, I will say, people act like this guy was like a .240 career hitter coming into this season and this is just sucha big damn shock. (although yea, no one, not even him, pictured THIS but...) And I guess because he wasn't the center piece in the Upton trade, people sorta overlooked him. But the guy had a good (not ok but good) hitting record for his career already. Also a reason for him sneaking up like this is I guess because he doesn't really do anything that stands out like he doesn't walk a lot, he doesn't hit homers, he doesn't steal bases.... He basically is just a solid singles and doubles hitter with a solid glove.

    If he comes back next year and just hits what he has for his career with the same glove, people should steal be ecstatic about the guy.

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