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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    These polls are the most meaningless thing in history right now
    It's a pulse. Lets you know overall opinions of repulicans if they can't beat someone who calls himself a socialist. Things can easily change, but it's not starting well for the Reps
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    It's a pulse. Lets you know overall opinions of repulicans if they can't beat someone who calls himself a socialist. Things can easily change, but it's not starting well for the Reps
    Ron Paul beat Obama in almost every national poll back then.

    But yall told me he was unelectable.

    Sanders will not win. But I'm a little depressed at how many people I presumed to have some level of intelligence are slobbering all over him

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    CNN ran opinion polls on matchups, Clinton beats Bush, Walker and Trump, Sanders beats Walker, Trump, and is 1 point behind bush.

    In other words, pretty low shot based on early polls of an R taking the white house
    I think you are referring to a favorability gauge.

    Trump and Bush are still topping Clinton head-to-head in every poll that I've seen within the past week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Ron Paul beat Obama in almost every national poll back then.

    But yall told me he was unelectable.

    Sanders will not win. But I'm a little depressed at how many people I presumed to have some level of intelligence are slobbering all over him
    We're 15 months out and the Republicans haven't coalesced around a single candidate. When that happens, people line up and the race will tighten. I envision a Hillary presidency, but that's no sure thing. Sanders' followers will make noise right up to the convention, but I think Hillary will tilt just enough to the left to assuage their concerns (I don't think the hard core Sanderites can be mollified) without making it too difficult for her to tack back toward the center for the general election. She'll be running a campaign aimed at suburbanites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    We're 15 months out and the Republicans haven't coalesced around a single candidate. When that happens, people line up and the race will tighten. I envision a Hillary presidency, but that's no sure thing. Sanders' followers will make noise right up to the convention, but I think Hillary will tilt just enough to the left to assuage their concerns (I don't think the hard core Sanderites can be mollified) without making it too difficult for her to tack back toward the center for the general election. She'll be running a campaign aimed at suburbanites.
    By the same token, Democrats are running a major risk pushing Hillary as the de facto candidate with this e-mail (read: Benghazi) business still lingering.

    If there isn't a clear resolution to this issue by the fall you are going to have 15 wannabe Presidents pounding her relentlessly.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-explain.html

    Among the approximately 2,000 emails released by the State Department from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private account, there is a conspicuous two-month gap. So far, there are no emails between Clinton and her State Department staff during May and June 2012, a period of escalating violence in Libya leading up to the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that left four Americans dead.

    A State Department spokesman told The Daily Beast that for the year 2012, only those emails related to the security of the consulate or to the U.S. diplomatic presence in Libya were made public and turned over to a House committee investigating the fatal Benghazi assault. But if that’s true, then neither Clinton nor her staff communicated via email about the escalating dangers in Libya during those two crucial months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    By the same token, Democrats are running a major risk pushing Hillary as the de facto candidate with this e-mail (read: Benghazi) business still lingering.

    If there isn't a clear resolution to this issue by the fall you are going to have 15 wannabe Presidents pounding her relentlessly.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-explain.html

    Among the approximately 2,000 emails released by the State Department from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private account, there is a conspicuous two-month gap. So far, there are no emails between Clinton and her State Department staff during May and June 2012, a period of escalating violence in Libya leading up to the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that left four Americans dead.

    A State Department spokesman told The Daily Beast that for the year 2012, only those emails related to the security of the consulate or to the U.S. diplomatic presence in Libya were made public and turned over to a House committee investigating the fatal Benghazi assault. But if that’s true, then neither Clinton nor her staff communicated via email about the escalating dangers in Libya during those two crucial months.
    Unless there is an absolute smoking gun here, I don't think she can be deterred from the nomination. Anything can happen in the general. I still think she wins on the novelty factor (and I don't think it's sexist to say that).

    The Clinton strategy, starting with Bill, was to throw the other side some bait and let them beat the crap out of you with it. If you're still standing after their arms get tired, you can play the "right wing conspiracy" card, which has worked for them. I don't think Hillary threw them the e-mail issue. It was extremely poor judgment on her part. We'll see if it's overblown or not. If there is something there, she's toast and so are the Democrats in 2016. Bench is not very deep on the Democratic side of the ledger right now.

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    NYT reporting that Biden is 'actively exploring' a run in 2016.

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    Biden would be interesting. I'd be curious to see if Obama would back him.

    With two days left until it's decided, looks like Thursday's GOP debate participants will be: Trump, Walker, Bush, Rubio, Paul, Huckabee, Carson, Cruz and two of Christie/Kasich/Perry.

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    So back in the '90's, Trump felt the war on drugs was a failure, and the only way to win it would be to legalize all drugs and take the profits away from the drug lords. Now that he is pretending to be a conservative so he can win the Rep nomination, he against legalizing marijuana, much less anything harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    NYT reporting that Biden is 'actively exploring' a run in 2016.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    So back in the '90's, Trump felt the war on drugs was a failure, and the only way to win it would be to legalize all drugs and take the profits away from the drug lords. Now that he is pretending to be a conservative so he can win the Rep nomination, he against legalizing marijuana, much less anything harder.
    Should be pretty obvious the guy is only out for himself.

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    There's a forum tonight in New Hampshire with 14 of the candidates, minus Trump, that will be on C-SPAN from 7-9 if anyone is interested.

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    Fox News says they would allow an 11th candidate if there was a tie in the polls.
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    I also have a feeling that tomorrow is going to be strictly GOP vs. Obama in the debates. I don't see many shots being taken. I think some on stage are afraid to go after the Don, because of the fact he will eat them up alive if he counterpunches.

    Don says he won't attack anybody just wants to talk about the issues. Would love to see more fireworks between Perry and Trump.
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    I would like to see Kasich get a chance to put his views out there. I'm not that big a fan, but he's always struck me as having at least a couple of pragmatic bones in his body unlike most of the other contenders on the Republican side.

    As for Biden, I don't think he has much of a chance unless he sets up a chain of massage clinics in Iowa pronto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    So back in the '90's, Trump felt the war on drugs was a failure, and the only way to win it would be to legalize all drugs and take the profits away from the drug lords. Now that he is pretending to be a conservative so he can win the Rep nomination, he against legalizing marijuana, much less anything harder.
    So he's like every other candidate in history (minus Ron Paul of course)

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    Jeb makes too many mistakes.

    Unforced errors

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    I think Biden is waiting to see if something comes of this Clinton email scandal.
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    Bernie Sanders

    The Republican debate is over. Not one word about income and wealth inequality, climate change, Citizens United or student debt. That's why the Republicans are so out of touch with the American people. What I heard was more tax breaks for the rich, more people losing health insurance and more talk about war. This is not what we need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    Bernie Sanders

    The Republican debate is over. Not one word about income and wealth inequality, climate change, Citizens United or student debt. That's why the Republicans are so out of touch with the American people. What I heard was more tax breaks for the rich, more people losing health insurance and more talk about war. This is not what we need.
    A two hour debate with 10 candidates can only cover so much ground...blame the moderators for the questions they chose...quite frankly, I thought the abortion and gay marriage questions were a waste of time, not to mention "has God spoken to you," but maybe that's just me...

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