Originally Posted by The Don
Yeah, even from my vantage point it was pretty awesome seeing him knocking her out.
Yeah, even from my vantage point it was pretty awesome seeing him knocking her out.
I'll never click that link, but I'm just curious what you stand for? I swear that 10 minutes ago you were a libertarian and now you support Sanders. What are you?
thank you weso1!
BedellBrave (09-10-2015), The Chosen One (09-10-2015)
Let's hope we can corrupt the current system!
Forever Fredi
He likes Bernie because he has a higher WAR than Hillary. Everyone's so obsessed with BA and RBI but Bernie's WAR overall makes him better than Hilldog.
Forever Fredi
cajunrevenge (10-03-2015), weso1 (09-10-2015)
My updated list of Presidential hopefuls.
Order I wish would happen:
1)Sanders
2)Biden
3)Rand
4)Trump
5)Hillary
What I think is likely to happen:
1)Hillary
2)GOP
3)Biden
4)Sanders
Forever Fredi
Now it's my time to be a cynic. it ain't happening. There may be outward trapping - shiny baubles to make the masses think it's changed, but this world is run, not so much by secret Bildebergers but by international corporations and banks.
I do think Biden hurts Bernie/helps Hillary more than anything.
Despite zito not believing so, there are Pro-Sanders voters who would vote for Biden over Hillary because he has a more realistic shot of winning in the general than Bernie.
I'm interested in the timing of everything. Bernie is now leading or neck and neck with Hillary in Iowa AND New Hampshire. Biden making rounds telling people he's possible interested. He could enter the race right before the primaries and shave off votes from Bernie to help Hillary.
Forever Fredi
Ask Bill Clinton about that, next time you see him.
Pretty much, a bit more right and liberal than the Green Party. Sanders won't likely get my vote in the general election. I agree with him about 80% or so domestically, but he's too pro-military intervention for my liking. Though unlike Hillary and Biden he has the stones to be critical about war.
My hardest struggle with Sanders and the Green Party is they're too concerned with things like giving everyone free college and absolving student loan debt. It makes them buzzy with college kids who're screwed by the current system but what they're advocating is throwing money on a fire to put it out. It will take a whole lot of it, a lot more than they anticipate.
If you look at me on the 4 corner map thing. I'm left of center and very liberal.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Sorry but the polls with Biden in them have taken more points from Hillary than Bernie. Now what happens at the voting booths is a different story. I'm pretty sure Bernie won't lose NH. NH has a unique factor of their liberals being right up Bernie's alley. Add in that Bernie isn't a total unknown in NH like he is elsewhere (as he's the Senator/House rep from Vermont) I think we're seeing true poll results for Sanders in NH. Now nationally, who knows. Maybe nationally most of Sanders's gain is that anyone but Hillary vote.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
From a guy who paid off $50K in student loan debt already, I'll be pretty pissed if they raise taxes/borrow money to start absolving debt
I think a segment of Sanders' support is the Anybody But Hillary caucus and a number of those folks would jump to Biden if he got in.
The Chosen One (09-11-2015)
I agree, if they want to do something with that, do it via tax credit so everyone benefits, not just those dumb enough to go to school for art history.
I think a better system is to use the community colleges to get people educated for jobs in need, make those careers in need virtually free to get the education/training you need. I think making all education free is basically equivalent to continued arrested development.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
Before the email scandal I think you would have a good list, but this email thing appears to have some legs. I'd put Gore, Warren and Kerry in there too though. If Biden decides not to run and Hillary falls off then any of those three could get into the race. I think Biden will run though. I think he's playing up the sympathy angle.
thank you weso1!
One easy way to make college less expensive is to make it 3 years. There's no real reason it needs to be 4 years. I would also make the costs education only. Don't make the students pay for research. I would have taxpayers pay for research. This is something that in theory should benefit everyone. Create a pool of money that goes into research and create a partisan panel to determine where that research money goes. I would hire less professors and have bigger classes. I think there should be researchers and teachers on college campuses. Allow teachers to research as well, but create an atmosphere where those who really only want to research can just do that. I had a plethora of professors in my college career who just had no interest whatsoever in teaching. I would say that maybe 25% of professors are actually good at teaching. Small classes are important for elementary and middle school aged kids, but in college there are tutors that can help. I think I personally learned more from tutoring sessions then I did from actual classes.
Do away with loans and replace them with work contracts. Make a deal where if you obtain a job then you have to pay this much to the entity that paid for your college education with the caveat that the graduate has to be working. I think this would lead to lenders helping students find jobs, because it would be in their best interest for every student to have a job.
thank you weso1!
These are trends. When it comes down to the thick of the race in the spring people won't care about email and I doubt Bernie or Biden will go after her about it which means only the GOPwill talk about it.
Just like Trump and Carson are temporarily surging in the polls recently I don't think it will have legs when it really matters. Hillary is taking a dip in the polls but I think she will bounce back.
When it comes down to it, immigration, the economy etc are going to be top of the list. If republicans continue to play the email and benghazi card they're going to lose. The fact they're constantly bringing up both still is a sign to me theyre clearly worried still.
Forever Fredi
or, they have no policy alternatives. With legs
Bernie Sanders at Liberty College today.
Curious that conversation
Last edited by 57Brave; 09-14-2015 at 01:47 PM.
Heard snippets of the story on NPR. From the sound of it, he didn't win any votes, but the students who were interviewed all respected his fortitude for coming to a place where he knew many of his views wouldn't be embraced. Biggest cheer came not from anything that Sanders said, but from a question on abortion (which elicited a standing ovation).
BedellBrave (09-15-2015)
Liberty isn't the place it was when Jerry was around.
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