Russell Rant

[BedellBrave]

It's not so much defending it, as promoting education. When you tell someone they can't do something, they'll want to do it. It's in our human nature. We're curiosu folk. And if something is taboo, it can add a certainl level of arousal (for lack of a better word) that makes you want to experience it more and more and heightens your satisfaction when you do it.

Porn certainly is bad, has many bad aspects of it, as do many of the subversive ways that humans are sold. For a different example, pick on soldiers, they're told they're heroes, put on platforms, they're part of a team, not individuals, so on so forth. These things allow them to kill with reckless abandon. It shields them from the horrors they're committing because of how things are sold to them. If you want to address the issues of objectifying women, you can do that, but just pointing to porn and saying, there it is. Is not a great way of doing it.

I'm not telling you you can't. I'm telling you you shouldn't and that what you are doing has more effects than you will admit. There's a huge porn industry and it is hurting millions. And your attempts at diversion are just that.

[zitothebrave]

Listen to what you are saying. Just listen. Sad really. The world you want isn't worth inhabiting.

The world I want where people are allowed to do what they choose? Where we flip our **** cause of 3 seconds of Janet Jackson boob yet take our kids to see movies that desensitize violence? We're largely primal creatures who spent most of our existence as hunter gatherers. Until the last centruy or so women were commonly viewed as nothing more than property to be used as leverage to gain social favor. Or if you were poor, they were baby factories. You talk about wanting to do things a certain way but provide no means to reach that end.

You say things like "we've now idea where the pervasiveness of porn is going to take us as a culture. My only guess - nowhere good." when the truth of the matter is that porn has existed for ages. Was it consumed in different ways? Sure. Was it more tame? Almost certainly. But it has and always will exist. I guess you prefer the society where women are traded as commodities as that essentially is the historical "pre-porn" reference we've got to look at. It's sad that you think Porn has more control over societies than the multi-billion dollar corporations who cram ads down our throats until we buy their ****.

[zitothebrave]

I'm not telling you you can't. I'm telling you you shouldn't and that what you are doing has more effects than you will admit. There's a huge porn industry and it is hurting millions.

You can say that about many industries. I'm glad you're taking a stand on something. But I don't think the issue is nearly as pronounced as you like to think it is. I guess things were better in the old days when you wanted to get your rocks off you went to show where women stripped and then wanked it in a private room. Or you bought yourself a whore. Because that was one of 2 jobs women could have. I'm not a champion of porn, if there was a way a to have the porn industry act ethically I'd be all for it. But saying it's "evil" and going to "ruin society" and what not is very chicken littlesque.

[BedellBrave]

Denial, I'm thinking because you like it.

[BedellBrave]

The world I want where people are allowed to do what they choose? Where we flip our **** cause of 3 seconds of Janet Jackson boob yet take our kids to see movies that desensitize violence? We're largely primal creatures who spent most of our existence as hunter gatherers. Until the last centruy or so women were commonly viewed as nothing more than property to be used as leverage to gain social favor. Or if you were poor, they were baby factories. You talk about wanting to do things a certain way but provide no means to reach that end.

You say things like "we've now idea where the pervasiveness of porn is going to take us as a culture. My only guess - nowhere good." when the truth of the matter is that porn has existed for ages. Was it consumed in different ways? Sure. Was it more tame? Almost certainly. But it has and always will exist. I guess you prefer the society where women are traded as commodities as that essentially is the historical "pre-porn" reference we've got to look at. It's sad that you think Porn has more control over societies than the multi-billion dollar corporations who cram ads down our throats until we buy their ****.

You're illogical. That you so quickly resort to straw-men is telling. Oh, and by the way, porn is a multi-billion dollar industry.

[zitothebrave]

Multi-billion dollar industry does not equal multi-billion dollar company.

Playboy, takes in about a few milllion a year, Hustler about a million, CEO of Mind Geek the biggest porn conglomerate in the world, is worth about 200M. For comparison, that's less money than Andrew Carnegie got in 1900 for being bought out of Carnegie Steel. That's money, tha'ts power. Porn industry is exploitive, but ti's hardly the monster you're making it out to be.

[zitothebrave]

Denial, I'm thinking because you like it.

Don't think it's denial at all. Think it's you being closed minded. Not saying you have to accept porn, but acting like porn is the root of all evil is just naive.

[The Chosen One]

You defend objectifying a woman? Reducing her to merely something to get off on.

And you are what, in your twenties? You've got no idea of the scars that can come. The images you won't be able to get out of your mind. They are there now and your wife to be will never make the grade.

And when you are jacking off looking at a video on your phone, while your wive withdraws further and further into her hurt, remember this warning.

Quite the opposite.

Whenever I've had relationships, my porn viewing dropped drastically and the sex was much more intimate than casual sex. No dirty talking like in the pornos, just bliss and appreciation of one another's company translated into sex. But since I've been single for prolonged periods of time (work, projects, hobbies, and Savannah & Southern Girls in general aren't exactly the best pool to choose from for my personality, right Hawk?), so porn just keeps me satisfied for a few minutes a day.

Again, perhaps because I've been watching porn for so long I'm de-sensitized by the effect you're speaking of. That's why I said, I don't know who the people are you deal with in your marriage counseling and if porn can really be pointed to as the main factor of a marriage breakdown or is it one component of many variables adding up. You could be counseling husband and wives that really had no business getting married. It's quite commonplace to see people in my generation rushing to getting married when you could see from 10 miles away they are not compatible in the long term. Has nothing to do with porn, just people ignoring blatantly obvious signs that they shouldn't get married and using their long time status as an excuse to "go to the next step".

[The Chosen One]

Beds, I don't consider a female porn star to be that much at all different in cultural terms than someone like LeBron James.

Both sell their bodies for a period of their life for the enjoyment of others to get a certain visual stimuli. I suppose we're ok as a society objectifying athletes, especially football players who risk their entire lives to get paid to play a game (except those College Players) that satisfies the raging testosterone of middle aged men who want to see someone get hit. I'm assuming in your line of marriage counseling, you've never had the trouble of husband wanting to watch too much sports and not giving his wife enough attention?

[BedellBrave]

Don't think it's denial at all. Think it's you being closed minded. Not saying you have to accept porn, but acting like porn is the root of all evil is just naive.

See that's what I mean by being illogical and making straw men. When did I even imply that I thought it was the root of all evil? Never. Of course it is not -it itself is symptomatic.

I think the charge of being close-minded could be turned back on you. See I think it is possible to have a better world with less and less porn, where women and men are valued and treated honorably. Why not join me?

[BedellBrave]

Quite the opposite.

Whenever I've had relationships, my porn viewing dropped drastically and the sex was much more intimate than casual sex. No dirty talking like in the pornos, just bliss and appreciation of one another's company translated into sex. But since I've been single for prolonged periods of time (work, projects, hobbies, and Savannah & Southern Girls in general aren't exactly the best pool to choose from for my personality, right Hawk?), so porn just keeps me satisfied for a few minutes a day.

Again, perhaps because I've been watching porn for so long I'm de-sensitized by the effect you're speaking of. That's why I said, I don't know who the people are you deal with in your marriage counseling and if porn can really be pointed to as the main factor of a marriage breakdown or is it one component of many variables adding up. You could be counseling husband and wives that really had no business getting married. It's quite commonplace to see people in my generation rushing to getting married when you could see from 10 miles away they are not compatible in the long term. Has nothing to do with porn, just people ignoring blatantly obvious signs that they shouldn't get married and using their long time status as an excuse to "go to the next step".

Hey Sav, I hope you understand, my concern is for people - for your good and the good of the rest of your life. I'll leave it at that.

[The Chosen One]

See that's what I mean by being illogical and making straw men. When did I even imply that I thought it was the root of all evil? Never. Of course it is not -it itself is symptomatic.

I think made the charge of being close-minded could be turned back on you. See I think it is possible to have a better world with less and less porn, where women and men are valued and treated honorably. Why not join me?

It sounds like you have a conflict of interest with America and freedom.

I'm half joking, half serious.

[BedellBrave]

Beds, I don't consider a female porn star to be that much at all different in cultural terms than someone like LeBron James.

Both sell their bodies for a period of their life for the enjoyment of others to get a certain visual stimuli. I suppose we're ok as a society objectifying athletes, especially football players who risk their entire lives to get paid to play a game (except those College Players) that satisfies the raging testosterone of middle aged men who want to see someone get hit. I'm assuming in your line of marriage counseling, you've never had the trouble of husband wanting to watch too much sports and not giving his wife enough attention?

Oh sure, there's all kinds of selfishness and brokenness. Yet, in my humble opinion, this board is rife (as is our culture more and more) with folks who don't quite get or want to admit to the darkness and damage this deep, deep, industry is doing.

[BedellBrave]

It sounds like you have a conflict of interest with America and freedom.

I'm half joking, half serious.

Oh, I'm not talking about governmental restrictions (other than on child-porn, bestiality and necrophilia). I am talking about the freedom to honor and value one another rather than debase.

[The Chosen One]

Oh sure, there's all kinds of selfishness and brokenness. Yet, in my humble opinion, this board is rife (as is our culture more and more) with folks who don't quite get or want to admit to the darkness and damage this deep, deep, industry is doing.

So where does porn lay on the scale of threats to America's future?

Muslims
Legalizing Marijuana
Allowing Gays to Marry
Porn
Gun Control
Raising Taxes
Universal Healthcare
Downsized Military
Illegal Immigrants

One battle at a time.

[Garmel]

Oh sure, there's all kinds of selfishness and brokenness. Yet, in my humble opinion, this board is rife (as is our culture more and more) with folks who don't quite get or want to admit to the darkness and damage this deep, deep, industry is doing.

From one old guy to another I'm not sure what to make of this. Of all of the bad things that are damaging to people in this world, porn is way, way down on the list. I'd rather see someone watch porn than do drugs or drink. Just saying.

[zitothebrave]

See that's what I mean by being illogical and making straw men. When did I even imply that I thought it was the root of all evil? Never. Of course it is not -it itself is symptomatic.

I think the charge of being close-minded could be turned back on you. See I think it is possible to have a better world with less and less porn, where women and men are valued and treated honorably. Why not join me?

Sorry if you see it as a "strawman" but when you say things like "we've now idea where the pervasiveness of porn is going to take us as a culture. My only guess - nowhere good." you're inferring that porn is a leader in societal failures, I was being hyperbolic when I used my "root of all evil" phrase, but i figured a southern minister like yourself would appreciate a little fire and brimstone. But it was your language and overall tone which lead me down that path. I respect your opinion on the topic, there are certainly issues in the porn world. Especially where you have women essentially forced into doing porn as part of the sex trade. NOt to mention the other exploitive techniques which don't generate women money. I'm all for porn empowerment, but that's on the consumer. We live in a world where the market rules and there are people making money on the sex market illegally like on many other markets.

[57Brave]

Oh sure, there's all kinds of selfishness and brokenness. Yet, in my humble opinion, this board is rife (as is our culture more and more) with folks who don't quite get or want to admit to the darkness and damage this deep, deep, industry is doing.

and they better stay offa your lawn

what is it with you and people having sex ? It seems that any topic that attends your passion revolves around others getting sexual pleasure in one form or another.

My guess is PeeWee football is damaging and has damaged more lives than the " shiney thing " of porn.
http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-med...ions-complaint

[Runnin]

From one old guy to another I'm not sure what to make of this. Of all of the bad things that are damaging to people in this world, porn is way, way down on the list. I'd rather see someone watch porn than do drugs or drink. Just saying.

The irony is that silly Christian morality is the great fertilizer which feeds the seeds of pornography and other exploitations of women.

[yeezus]

lol every argument with bedell comes down to him saying, "you believe this/know this to be true, but just don't want to admit it!"