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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Like clockwork
    Sorry, don't always have time to pander to blatant obtuseness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Thanks for the answer... it was sensible - so I appreciate it.

    But it doesn't change the principle of the argument. The issue is not the tool being used, but the person using it. Everytime there is a shooting, someone is screaming to ban guns. But that doesn't and won't change the underlying problem.
    I'm sorry you needed that complete common sense spelled out for you.
    Banning guns is not a logical option.
    Regulating them more? Being more careful with who gets them? That's doable. And that's the argument 99% of people make.
    No one is going to take away everyone's guns. That's the paranoia kicking in.

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    Really sad. Germanwings is my favorite European discount airline; very efficient and extremely cheap. As it is a sister company to Lufthansa I always feel like I basically am flying on Lufthansa. In fact, I have a reservation with them out of Berlin next month.

    Anyways, I'm about to turn 28 myself (the same age as the copilot) -- and I've been through some very dark days -- but can only imagine the utter hell this poor guy must have been living in not only to desire taking his own life, but the lives of so many innocent people.

    It almost goes beyond mental illness, towards possession. I'd be curious to hear Bedell's thoughts.

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    Even though I am an expert, and then some (wink) at guns, I would NEVER own one and now you know why. My kids and family are risk.

    If someone comes to my house and have guns, take what you want but there is nothing here for you to get. None of us have cash on hand, we have protection on our debit and credit cards, we do not wear jewelry, one of the things I love about my wife, she doesn't care for it either. The most expensive things are our appliances, TV's, computers, good luck in getting that stuff out of the house when the neighbors (neighborhood watch) call the police on you and two are cops. LMAO

    If you don't have guns, you think LLCoolJ is good in hand to hand, try me, I won't be as nice as him in what I would do to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Really sad. Germanwings is my favorite European discount airline; very efficient and extremely cheap. As it is a sister company to Lufthansa I always feel like I basically am flying on Lufthansa. In fact, I have a reservation with them out of Berlin next month.

    Anyways, I'm about to turn 28 myself (the same age as the copilot) -- and I've been through some very dark days -- but can only imagine the utter hell this poor guy must have been living in not only to desire taking his own life, but the lives of so many innocent people.

    It almost goes beyond mental illness, towards possession. I'd be curious to hear Bedell's thoughts.
    My daughter and ex wife as well, they use it a lot and when I talked to her she is like, should I trust them now?

    You know what if they follow the American way of thinking, I told her, changes are on the way and if you want to go NEXT summer, you will be okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    The gun/plane argument would hold more weight if it was as hard to get a gun as it is to get a license to fly.
    To be fair - planes have been used as weapons now at least 3 times that I know (9/11) and have killed thousands of people.

    I of course don't think planes should be banned... But it's always interesting hearing the left change their tune when we're not talking about guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    To be fair - planes have been used as weapons now at least 3 times that I know (9/11) and have killed thousands of people.

    I of course don't think planes should be banned... But it's always interesting hearing the left change their tune when we're not talking about guns.
    I support the **** out of guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Sorry, don't always have time to pander to blatant obtuseness.
    You're such a nice guy... Remember that chat Dalyn had with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    I support the **** out of guns.
    I do as well, but since my disease, it is not permitted in my house. But if someone wants to steal something and not have guns, I pity you because I will seriously f*ck you up, if you have guns you can have everything....

    which is nothing, none of us carry cash and the only things we have of any value you can take without the police coming before you can is our rings. Good luck in finding them.

    I have unlock doors in all areas. My dog will bite you and will alarm me. If that is the case, I have my sword, nowhere the kids or wife can get to and I will use it. I have no qualms in decapitating you.

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    I have a gun, and I would accept a plane if anyone wants to give me one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    The gun/plane argument would hold more weight if it was as hard to get a gun as it is to get a license to fly.
    The comparison isn't between the ease of access between the two. It's the hypocrisy that when a pilot does this there is a real sentiment that more focus needs to be placed on mental healthy and people feel sorry for the pilot in this instance. Someone stabs 100 people in china and no blinks an eye. Someone shoots 5 people in a rampage and the focus is on how to get guns off the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    The comparison isn't between the ease of access between the two. It's the hypocrisy that when a pilot does this there is a real sentiment that more focus needs to be placed on mental healthy and people feel sorry for the pilot in this instance. Someone stabs 100 people in china and no blinks an eye. Someone shoots 5 people in a rampage and the focus is on how to get guns off the street.
    I always focus on the people behind the tech, but yeah...you have a good point in regards to a lot of people out there. But we know so many people support an idea when it fits what they want and push it aside when it doesn't, so the hypocrisy isn't a surprise or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    I have a gun, and I would accept a plane if anyone wants to give me one.
    Pretty sure you have a mental illness, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Pretty sure you have a mental illness, too.
    Hey! That was uncalled for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I always love when people mock a comparison with "IT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE"

    Then the person asks, well what's the difference? And there never is an answer... You just get "It's not even worth debating." and "You seriously can't figure out the difference???"
    this is like saying "BOTH SIDES MUST BE HEARD!!!!"

    if not, it's the liberal media


    John Oliver pretty much covered this in his first season. him covering this while talking about climate change

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    The comparison isn't between the ease of access between the two. It's the hypocrisy that when a pilot does this there is a real sentiment that more focus needs to be placed on mental healthy and people feel sorry for the pilot in this instance. Someone stabs 100 people in china and no blinks an eye. Someone shoots 5 people in a rampage and the focus is on how to get guns off the street.
    No. That's not it, at all.
    I don't think anyone would argue that when someone goes on a shooting spree, mental health should be looked at. But so should gun regulation. It doesn't have to be either/or. It can be both. The pro-gunners only want the focus on mental health, and don't want any tighter restrictions on guns. Even though focusing on both makes a lot of sense. They're both a problem.

    You will now see tighter regulation as far as becoming a pilot/flying a plane. This is the same thing as adding more regulation to gun ownership. It's attempting to make something that is imperfect more safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    The gun/plane argument would hold more weight if it was as hard to get a gun as it is to get a license to fly.
    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    Yeah, let's make being able to get a gun as difficult as it is to be able to fly commercial jetliners. They're so similar, right?
    i can't wait to go to the pawn shop and give them 200 bucks and fly away in my plane 20 minutes later

    it's going to be awesome


    THEY ARE SO SIMILAR!!!!!!!
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    Everyone keeps missing the point.

    If there is a school shooting - there is outrage to change laws.

    If there is a knifing, there is not the same outrage.

    If there is a plane crash, there is not the same outrage.

    If there is a bludgeoning, there is not the same outrage.

    There's something about guns with you folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    i can't wait to go to the pawn shop and give them 200 bucks and fly away in my plane 20 minutes later

    it's going to be awesome


    THEY ARE SO SIMILAR!!!!!!!
    Don't forget those commercial aviation shows where you can buy a jetliner full of passengers with no waiting or a background check.

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