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    and the above is the problem.

    It makes it next to impossible to go forward with policies that will enhance our citizenry when all of the political battle surrounds fighting non sense like that above.
    And we do have opposing views on what works best -- doing nothing is not a solution. Invoking 2nd century mysticism is not public policy - because - a good bit of our "we the people" do not subscribe

    It goes back to ACA -- which is so far from the health care program I envisioned 6-7 years ago that at that time I would have thought ACA out of hand stupid. But in the day light and the obstacles of mis information and concern with first the bottom line THEN the actual (you know ) care we wind up with this.
    The ACA thread has regular updates on how those obstacles of mis information are falling by the way side. I still want a single payer cradle to grave program - like the rest of the civilized world

    Suppose there were honest brokers involved in the ACA discussions (abortion,crime,civil rights, Iran (?) on and on and on and on ...) rather than obstructionists or policies designed to accomplish nothing more than tarnish the reputation of POTUS ? Just like above, suppose we as a people were actually talking about societal solutions for abortion or HIV rather than spend all of our political time arguing just over the basic human care involved vs the non sense thrown out to de rail any and all legislation.

    What exactly have the GOP done with their control of the legislative branch. They have not helped implement ANY public polic and really haven't done the opposite of saving the taxpayers money. Almost comically, the debt has increased under their watch ----

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    that we as a society can't come to the basic agreement that if you want to open a business that you must treat all your customers as equal is absurd.

    really? we as a society have to really judge and push your beliefs on to them for who they love? oh, you're offended that the man sticks his dick in that mans asshole in their private bedroom? well, you're an adult. get the **** over it or if you really think about it that much, start taking dick yourself or don't open a business at all.

    that we use the term "freedom" when what we are really talking about is treating someone else as not as equal as someone else is sickening.


    we either have an actual society or we don't. if you want your religion (sure thing bedell, my view on this is a "religion" :rolleyes ) to be part of the gov't, go to the middle east! ISIS loves that type of thinking
    That you want the government telling private businesses who they must serve tells me your a statist. I couldn't care less what two adults do in a bedroom.But that doesn't mean I should force someone else to not care. If you have a problem with it, don't give that business your money.

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    By the above definition the opposite of a Statist would be Societal Chaos. What and how do we regulate how we function as a society ?

    Why wouldn't, taken to it's length - we use the same argument to oppose traffic regulation or FDA regulation ??
    Airline safety -- seems a slippery slope. (oh god I said it "slippery slope" )

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    That you want the government telling private businesses who they must serve tells me your a statist. I couldn't care less what two adults do in a bedroom.But that doesn't mean I should force someone else to not care. If you have a problem with it, don't give that business your money.
    Sure

    Your theory of life can't work just like pure communism can't work in real life
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Sure

    Your theory of life can't work just like pure communism can't work in real life
    So you don't have a reasonable response.

    Cool

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    "Hey there, public pressure can work on even the Republican governor of Arkansas. Or maybe it's the Walmart pressure that worked. In any case, Gov. Asa Hutchinson announced late Wednesday morning that he will not sign the license-to-discriminate bill passed by his state's legislature. Instead, he called on the legislature to change the bill before sending it back for his signature "

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Yeah, because the straight white christian male is so discriminated upon in this country
    It's looked down upon enough though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    The odds are a couple of those are in the closet.

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    Yeah. Miller looks like the most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywood View Post
    Yeah. Miller looks like the most likely.
    Just curious ... what does a gay man look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Just curious ... what does a gay man look like?
    Ask Zeets.

    I only say Miller in the pic ebcause he looks creepy. Fits the description of anti-gay in the closet gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywood View Post
    Ask Zeets.

    I only say Miller in the pic ebcause he looks creepy. Fits the description of anti-gay in the closet gay.
    Just noting that using language like that is technically discriminatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Just noting that using language like that is technically discriminatory.
    This forum is open to the public and does not discriminate against gays.

    I have not banned zeets, brule, or niners from posting here. If Bill Shanks or Patio wanted to post here I'd tell them I don't agree with their forumstyle but they're welcome to post here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    So you don't have a reasonable response.

    Cool
    "a reasonable response" differs to whom you ask

    i think my response was very reasonable to show that they way you want the world to work is great in theory. just like communism

    thus why i said it in the post you quoted.

    in your opinion, that isn't reasonable. i'm not sure why but you are entitled to your opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Just curious ... what does a gay man look like?
    Ryan Seacrest.
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    It’s over."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywood View Post
    This forum is open to the public and does not discriminate against gays.

    I have not banned zeets, brule, or niners from posting here. If Bill Shanks or Patio wanted to post here I'd tell them I don't agree with their forumstyle but they're welcome to post here.
    What's really important here is Bill Shanks actually thought Heyward was gay, and thus, didn't care for baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    What's really important here is Bill Shanks actually thought Heyward was gay, and thus, didn't care for baseball.
    False. A-Rod cared so much about baseball that he gave his 2 testicles for it. Gays care about baseball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Actually a more accurate story for that picture would be a gay baker refusing service to a christian client. I know your opinion sturg, businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. But we've seen what happens when that's the law.

    And I suspect many would if asked to put "Gay Marriage Is Wrong" on the cake.

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