Braves in talks with DBacks for Trevor Cahill

[50PoundHead]

I'm not sure our bullpen can afford to lose Martin. Sadly, we have so little that's working I'd be afraid to change one of the few things that is.

But Cahill's replacement has to be something they're working on.

My guess is--performance taken into account--that Wisler and Foltynewicz will probably be in the starting rotation by August.

[clvclv]

Cahill is more or less a sunk cost. Braves will probably wind up cutting him if he doesn't improve. He is averaging just over 4 IP per start, walking more guys than striking out, giving up more liners than at any point in his career, I guess you can say it's a good thing he's not giving up homers. But how much crap can you take. He's not cutting it on so many levels. When we get guys back or start promoting from the minors he's second on the block behind Stults. Though I think we'll move Stults to the pen, that's just a guess though.

Have to think ALL the veterans they signed or dealt for were acquired with one thing in mind - delay the NEED to force Folty and Banuelos into the rotation before they were ready (or in a perfect world into June or July) if at all possible. I'd think the same holds true for Wisler's situation as well.

Getting any return for those guys once the kids gave management no choice other than to bring them up would be a nice bonus, but it wasn't the main concern. In retrospect they could've just re-signed Harang, but they didn't see him having another season like last year (and quite frankly, no one here did either). They grabbed for bounce-back guys with upside that they might be able to get something for and it hasn't worked out so far, but I don't personally think any of them were bad signings (or a bad trade in this case).

These guys weren't brought in here to win games (as the main goal anyway), and if they can stay healthy for another month they'll have "done their job".

[50PoundHead]

Have to think ALL the veterans they signed or dealt for were acquired with one thing in mind - delay the NEED to force Folty and Banuelos into the rotation before they were ready (or in a perfect world into June or July) if at all possible. I'd think the same holds true for Wisler's situation as well.

Getting any return for those guys once the kids gave management no choice other than to bring them up would be a nice bonus, but it wasn't the main concern. In retrospect they could've just re-signed Harang, but they didn't see him having another season like last year (and quite frankly, no one here did either). They grabbed for bounce-back guys with upside that they might be able to get something for and it hasn't worked out so far, but I don't personally think any of them were bad signings (or a bad trade in this case).

These guys weren't brought in here to win games (as the main goal anyway), and if they can stay healthy for another month they'll have "done their job".

Agree. Cahill and Stults don't want to go quietly. People tend to forget that these guys are bred on competition and they are going to do their damndest to perform. Whether or not we get return for them is immaterial. We unloaded Elander and Reyes for Cahill and a draft pick. We pay Cahill for one year and he's off the books.

I'm one of the few who would have okay with Harang coming back. Durable guy.

The thing I'm finding funny about this year is that a lot of people who complained about the idea of a rebuild are now complaining that we're losing games we shouldn't lose even though they admit we should lose.

[Julio3000]

I think that Cahill and Stults's highest purpose is to eat innings. If they can reduce stress on the bullpen and run clock until bringing the young guys up is a choice rather than a necessity, they'll have done their jobs.

It's an academic point, but I didn't see any reason to believe that Harang wouldn't be effective and durable again this year, and I doubt I'm alone in that. At the time, I assume the FO simply thought that they could get a reasonable proportion of the performance for less $$$.

I'm not going to be bothered if the team gives Cahill a fairly long leash, just to see if he can bounce back. I think I've got a pretty realistic handle on what this team is, and, despite that, I've found them pretty entertaining to watch so far.

[thethe]

I think that Cahill and Stults's highest purpose is to eat innings. If they can reduce stress on the bullpen and run clock until bringing the young guys up is a choice rather than a necessity, they'll have done their jobs.

It's an academic point, but I didn't see any reason to believe that Harang wouldn't be effective and durable again this year, and I doubt I'm alone in that. At the time, I assume the FO simply thought that they could get a reasonable proportion of the performance for less $$$.

I'm not going to be bothered if the team gives Cahill a fairly long leash, just to see if he can bounce back. I think I've got a pretty realistic handle on what this team is, and, despite that, I've found them pretty entertaining to watch so far.

Agreed.

[keithlaw]

I think that Cahill and Stults's highest purpose is to eat innings.

We're going to have to spoon feed them to Cahill.

[Julio3000]

We're going to have to spoon feed them to Cahill.

Nice.

[Enscheff]

From what I've seen with Cahill, he looks good when his arm slot is at 3/4 and his velocity is in the low 90s. He seems to drop his arm angle a little lower (maybe to try for more movement?) when he gets tired, or in trouble, or when his good sinker gets hit a little bit. Then he loses command, loses 2-3 MPH, gives up walks, and gets shelled.

If anyone can fix him, Roger can.

[stpeteirish]

The thing I'm finding funny about this year is that a lot of people who complained about the idea of a rebuild are now complaining that we're losing games we shouldn't lose even though they admit we should lose.

Some people here just like to complain. Just like in real life.

[nsacpi]

My guess is--performance taken into account--that Wisler and Foltynewicz will probably be in the starting rotation by August.

They might be ready by then, but I would not use up any of their service time in a year we are not competing.

[thethe]

They might be ready by then, but I would not use up any of their service time in a year we are not competing.

I hope that the front office shares this viewpoint.

[DirkPiggler]

They might be ready by then, but I would not use up any of their service time in a year we are not competing.

That's one school of thought.

Another is that if you think the team will be ready to compete next year, you give Wisler and or the F word a few starts this year to kind of get used to pitching in the big leagues. Let them get over the potential shell shock of throwing to big league hitters in real games when the result truly doesn't matter.

[UNCBlue012]

I hope that the front office shares this viewpoint.

Well, they gave up Kimbrel and Gattis for them, so they sure as hell better.

[BRule]

Doesn't work out of the pen either.....

When's the DFA coming?

[Millwood1Hitter]

Doesn't work out of the pen either.....

When's the DFA coming?

We still really don't know what he's got. I say give him the Mulholland treatment through September, assure us top pick, then call up the youngsters.

[sturg33]

Doesn't work out of the pen either.....

When's the DFA coming?

Give Roger time to turn him into an all-star

[Julio3000]

Need to check him for undiagnosed concussion and oculomotor dysfunction before thinking about DFA.

[chop2chip]

Doesn't work out of the pen either.....

When's the DFA coming?

How come you aren't bumping the AJ and Markakis threads?

[BRule]

Stults giving us a strong 5 innings each start, really eating those innings up!!!

[Heyward]

Stults giving us a strong 5 innings each start, really eating those innings up!!!

It's a throwaway year, who cares?

And everyone knows he sucks.

Secondly, you have a Cardinals avi as your pic and you are a "Braves fan"

Third, why not bump the other threads too, while your at it.