Thought today might warrant its own thread. Quiet so far today.
Thought today might warrant its own thread. Quiet so far today.
Was just going to make this thread. Of course if the Braves get anyone, it will be in a separate thread.
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Mrs. Meta (07-31-2013)
Braves trade for David Price, per Rosenthal.
bravesnumberone (07-31-2013), Mrs. Meta (07-31-2013), The Chosen One (07-31-2013)
Bowman seems to think we'll stand pat for the rest of the day.
I'm not expecting nothing huge, but I'd like another righty out of the pen.Originally Posted by bravesnumberone
They shouldn't cost that much like a Qualls or Lindstrom.
Consider the source but Bill Shanks tends to think we could get Bonifacio for not a lot.
For some reason, im really hoping we get him.
Phils are hardly done. They still have money to spend and you can bet they will spend it. Brown is their new Howard. He's going to be a thorn in our side for awhile. They're a borderline .500 team this yr with Halladay out and Hamels having an off yr. They're going to stick around awhile.
I'm with those that say the Nats are/were overrated. Offense aside from Harper and Desmond isn't all that terrific. Zimmerman isn't the offense stud they thought he was. They missed their opportunity last yr when they sat Strasburg
Cliff Lee is not going to get better. If anything he is going to get wrose. Is Halladay ever going to be a factor again? The guy is not young. The Phillies were great in the late 2000's because of Utley/Howard/Rollins in their prime and getting super lucky with Werth. They don't have it anymore and will need to tear it down and rebuild. They have money but that doesn't assure you anything.
Natural Immunity Croc
I agree that the Phillies are done. If they make the right moves, sure, they could be very good again but thats the case for a lot of teams. I dont see Phillies competiting again until the blow up that roster.
Yeah. Phillies are done. Howard, Ruiz, Utley and Rollins are all gone or in their declining years. They don't have much of a farm system. And they have one of the dumber GMs.
thethe (08-01-2013)
I don't even see how its debatable.
Natural Immunity Croc
Why does Cliff Lee need to get better? He's still one of the top 5-10 pitchers in the NL.
Hamels has been a bit unlucky this yr, but he's still young and still an ace.
Utley and Howard are still productive players. And Brown is a stud. And probably the most important thing you are forgetting is that they have tons of money to spend. They have at least 20 million more to spend this off-season with Halladay off the books. They could sign 2-3 or big name FA"s this off-season.
You are fooling yourself if you think the Philthies are going to be crappy for awhile. They're a borderline .500 team without a healthy Halldaday and a bunch of other players on their DL this season.
Where do you get "borderline" .500? They're 7 under right now, and were playing a bit above their heads earlier. Howard is a platoon player, old, and will be perpetually hurt, just like Utley (though Utley isn't a platoon player).
Halladay will never be Halladay again. No bullpen. And Lee and Hamels better start 34 games with a sub-3 ERA to have a shot. They're 3rd for a few years.
They've been hovering around .500 practically all season up until 12 days ago. And they were a .500 team last yr. Basically they've been a .500 team for the last 1.5 yrs up until about 12 days when they had 8 game losing streak. But i guess you're right, they are nowhere close to .500 team......
Halladay is gone at the end of the yr. They may resign him to an incentive laden deal. They may not. But they will definitely use his money on finding a replacement. Josh Johnson, Matt Garza, Kuroda, Santana, Lots of good of options for them to improve their club. Hell they have the money to sign two out of those pitchers if they wanted.
They really aren't a borderline .500 team. They hung around for a bit, but they won more game than they should have. They're dropping further below .500 and will continue to fall.
Ruf is terrible in LF. Revere hasn't even played well in CF this year. Brown was brutal, but has improved a bit. Still average at best in the OF. I still don't totally believe in him, either.
Rollins will not waive his NTC so they're stuck with him. It would probably be smart for them to re-sign Utley. Utley for 120 games + a backup is still better than most 2B in the game. They're stuck with that scrub Howard. Lee and Hamels are studs, but the rest of their rotation isn't good. Kendrick is a 4 at best. Who knows with Gonzalez but I keep reading 4-5 or reliever, unless everything goes perfect and he's a 3. Pettibone is not a good pitcher, he's a 5. Who knows about Asche.
They would need to sign Choo, Mac, and get a good to very good mid-rotation guy to compete next year. Amaro has been terrible as GM. Why nnot trade Young for anything, even a relief arm in AA? He's not going to re-sign and you're not going anywhere this year.
And their in a division with two of the youngest, most talented teams in the game.
Lee
Halladay
Hamels
Peitbone
Biddle
Kendrick
Gonzalez
is probably more than enough starting pitching.
That will probably be good enough for third maybe fourth in the division.
Natural Immunity Croc
lol. Even if the Mets rotation is better despite only having 2/2.5 starters, they have nothing positionally besides wright.
Lee and Hamels I gave you.
Pettibone is a #5. Dime a dozen.
By the time Biddle is good and reliable, where will Hamels and Lee be?
Kendrick is reverting back to #4 (at best) Kyle Kendrick.
Gonzalez is a HUGE question mark.
Biddle is already in AA and will likely have a full season in AA at age 21.
Petitbone is a pretty solid back end of the rotation guy that can eat innings.
Gonzalez is expected to be a very good starter though there are certainly some questions
Halladay may come back
Kendrick has a 3.90 FIP this year.
They have a legit top of the rotation starters and a bunch of depth that can fill in the back end.
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