The Don

[AerchAngel]

I disagree 50. I see the race now as Clinton not losing what constituency she has of of women, Latino, college educated suburban. Every new story that comes out solidifies those votes. And I don't see how Trump expands his ... the "rigged" arguement is his 35-40% base that won't vote for Clinton if she promised them "free stuff" and a pony
The (D) debate plan was energize her base . In that vein ...

The Miss Universe controversy though it seems meaningless to us white men it does ring with women and Latino's. Even more important than the fact he called her fat then explained it away by invoking Rosie O'Donnel ,yelling "wrong" then later pointing out she has a life is the phrase "housekeeper" .
Want to insult a Latino? Assume that person is the "help" or insensitively refer to them as the gardener or the maid. Wwithout acknowledging their humanity
How many votes did Clinton keep on the ranch by asking if Trump knew her name ? That might be one of the slickest debate move I've ever seen. She held it until the end when he was tired to assure he would overreact
Trump apparently agrees - because he's been doing his lame attempt at damage control ever since.

We are at about the bottom of the 7th in this election where Clinton is up 7-3. Her trick is to not lose. She isn't getting any of his supporters - she isn't going to convince them,
and I don't think she is interested in the Johnson/Stein voters either. She has a lead to play with and 3 guys that throw 95-100 in the bullpen.
And that is before she gets to her closer.

About what he has on her. If he had something other than she stayed with Bill - rest assured this premature ejaculator couldn't hold back.

I have to give you a thanks. Nice solid post and a synopsis that I agree with.

[yeezus]

She has the media on her side as well. Look how hard they're pushing this stupid Miss America thing. There's no real news there. Everyone already knows Trump is a misogynist. And it's not even the worst thing he's said about women. But they are pushing it real hard. It's also true that Trump is too much of a vain dolt to move on from it.

Stop blaming the media for the **** that comes out of that moron's mouth. If he could respond to things like an adult this wouldn't be talked about so much. But he just can't stop putting his tiny foot in his mouth. It's bizarre. It's not about just misogyny; it's about respect, racism (yes, calling her Ms. Housekeeping is just that), and who he is as a person. The media isn't talking enough about him stiffing small businesses his entire life, so in that regard they're doing him a favor.

[yeezus]

A tweet storm between 3 and 5 AM about a fake porn video is all you need to know about that man's temperament. His "strongest asset" is terrible.

[50PoundHead]

I disagree 50. I see the race now as Clinton not losing what constituency she has of of women, Latino, college educated suburban. Every new story that comes out solidifies those votes. And I don't see how Trump expands his ... the "rigged" arguement is his 35-40% base that won't vote for Clinton if she promised them "free stuff" and a pony
The (D) debate plan was energize her base . In that vein ...

The Miss Universe controversy though it seems meaningless to us white men it does ring with women and Latino's. Even more important than the fact he called her fat then explained it away by invoking Rosie O'Donnel ,yelling "wrong" then later pointing out she has a life is the phrase "housekeeper" .
Want to insult a Latino? Assume that person is the "help" or insensitively refer to them as the gardener or the maid. Wwithout acknowledging their humanity
How many votes did Clinton keep on the ranch by asking if Trump knew her name ? That might be one of the slickest debate move I've ever seen. She held it until the end when he was tired to assure he would overreact
Trump apparently agrees - because he's been doing his lame attempt at damage control ever since.

We are at about the bottom of the 7th in this election where Clinton is up 7-3. Her trick is to not lose. She isn't getting any of his supporters - she isn't going to convince them,
and I don't think she is interested in the Johnson/Stein voters either. She has a lead to play with and 3 guys that throw 95-100 in the bullpen.
And that is before she gets to her closer.

About what he has on her. If he had something other than she stayed with Bill - rest assured this premature ejaculator couldn't hold back.

I tend to agree with you. I should have clarified that this is how I think Trump will play this debate's results. I have no idea whether or not it will work for him. He will have to come out guns a-blazin' at the next debate. My guess is she'll do the "Where's the Beef?" bit Mondale pulled on Hart. Trump has to get specific at some point and I don't know if he can.

[Runnin]

How does one even describe Trump's downward spiral? A trainwreck that won't end? Epic meltdown? An out of control orangutan throwing his feces at everyone in sight?

Hillary should mention in the town hall that when the election is over Trump will likely spend most of his remaining days in court or worse.

[Runnin]

Trump deposition about calling Mexican rapists.

A very plain and straight-forward look at the candidate.

[AerchAngel]

Trump deposition about calling Mexican rapists.

A very plain and straight-forward look at the candidate.

He has been the worst we have ever seen. But going against the second worst we've ever seen is like a midget contest. Trump loses and Hillary wins.

But I can't vote for a liar and deceiver either. Whomever wins, I really don't care, they both suck. If she had been truthful I would get on my knees and bow down for her, but my core beliefs is in honesty and if you are not honest, I lost respect for you. If you done something bad, just say it and with honesty, I will vote for you.

[cajunrevenge]

And I was just thinking of supporting Trump. As bad as he is he would be the best President to fight the SJW movement that is poisoning the minds of our youth. It must be stopped before the becoming a voting majority. If they get enough people the Democrat party now will be the conservative party. This movement is dangerous. They will get violent and Trump winning will set them off. Then the government will do what they do best and violently crackdown on them. Especially with Trump as President. That **** will take down our country faster than any middle eastern terrorist.

[weso1]

Stop blaming the media for the **** that comes out of that moron's mouth. If he could respond to things like an adult this wouldn't be talked about so much. But he just can't stop putting his tiny foot in his mouth. It's bizarre. It's not about just misogyny; it's about respect, racism (yes, calling her Ms. Housekeeping is just that), and who he is as a person. The media isn't talking enough about him stiffing small businesses his entire life, so in that regard they're doing him a favor.

I'm not blaming the media for what Trump does, which is why I say Trump is Trump. But to ignore the impact the media has had in the election, from both the left and the right, is to ignore a major player in this election. The left wing mainstream media was very soft on Trump up until he won the nomination. Imo, they wanted him to win the nomination. For their part, Drudge Report and Breitbart strongly pushed Trump which imo, played a huge roll in Trump winning the nomination. If the main stream media hit Trump as hard as they are now earlier in the primaries and Drudge and Breitbart didn't push him, then I find it hard to believe Trump would have won the primary. It's unfortunate for the right that Matt Drudge has become conspiratorial and Breitbart was invaded by a nationalist parasite.

[50PoundHead]

I'm not blaming the media for what Trump does, which is why I say Trump is Trump. But to ignore the impact the media has had in the election, from both the left and the right, is to ignore a major player in this election. The left wing mainstream media was very soft on Trump up until he won the nomination. Imo, they wanted him to win the nomination. For their part, Drudge Report and Breitbart strongly pushed Trump which imo, played a huge roll in Trump winning the nomination. If the main stream media hit Trump as hard as they are now earlier in the primaries and Drudge and Breitbart didn't push him, then I find it hard to believe Trump would have won the primary. It's unfortunate for the right that Matt Drudge has become conspiratorial and Breitbart was invaded by a nationalist parasite.

But the media has been hard on Hillary as well. I get light-headed a couple of times a day due to my blood pressure that is in the same zone as Hillary's and I don't have news cameras following me around wondering if I'm at the edge of death. I don't smile much either, but no one points it out to me countless times. The Clinton Foundation has been investigated top-to-bottom and every angle has been explored in that regard. Plus, there has been a false equivalency in the name of balance that has actually helped Trump. And frankly, I don't think the mainstream media matters as much as it used to. The various sites on cable and the internet that cater to niche audiences and reinforce their views probably have as much a net effect as the big players in that they firm up the ideological bases.

Trump's problem is that he's been Trump. Hillary has done a lot of stuff in her career that has earned the scorn of the portion of the public and that's political life. But she has done this from a set of core beliefs (and, of course, ambition). Trump has spent his adult life being a loose cannon and there's just a bunch of stuff that he simply can't wash off. The media is always going to cover four-alarm fires and train wrecks.

[weso1]

But the media has been hard on Hillary as well. I get light-headed a couple of times a day due to my blood pressure that is in the same zone as Hillary's and I don't have news cameras following me around wondering if I'm at the edge of death. I don't smile much either, but no one points it out to me countless times. The Clinton Foundation has been investigated top-to-bottom and every angle has been explored in that regard. Plus, there has been a false equivalency in the name of balance that has actually helped Trump. And frankly, I don't think the mainstream media matters as much as it used to. The various sites on cable and the internet that cater to niche audiences and reinforce their views probably have as much a net effect as the big players in that they firm up the ideological bases.

Trump's problem is that he's been Trump. Hillary has done a lot of stuff in her career that has earned the scorn of the portion of the public and that's political life. But she has done this from a set of core beliefs (and, of course, ambition). Trump has spent his adult life being a loose cannon and there's just a bunch of stuff that he simply can't wash off. The media is always going to cover four-alarm fires and train wrecks.

I agree that Trump's problem is that he's Trump, but I just think you're completely off base in regards to media coverage. The only folks covering Hillary's health issues were Breitbart and Paul Joseph Watson from infowars. The mainstream media called it nothing but conspiracy. CNN fired Dr. Drew because he dared to even question that she should probably release her medical records. The only reason the mainstream media had to cover it was because of the viral video of her collapsing into a van. Google purposely changed its search engine suggestions to where it wouldn't pull up Hillary's health issues. And no way in hell has the Clinton Foundation been fully investigated by the same corrupt DOJ and FBI that investigated Hillary's emails. And by the way instead of fully covering Comey's congressional hearing the mainstream media decided to cover Miss Universe. Now, I agree that a good candidate would shift the topic but it's still important to point out the bias.

Mainstream media doesn't matter as much. That is true. Social media is more important. But social media is run by the regressive left. Not by liberals, but the dangerous regressive left. CEO of twitter Jack Dorsey is a huge black lives matter and social justice movement supporter. He figuratively and possibly literally is in bed with one of BLM's strongest voices Deray McKesson. Google is similarly far to the left. And of course you know about Facebook getting in trouble recently. Again, Trump is terrible but it's important to point out this bias now, because in 4 years that bias is till going to be there when Hillary is challenged by hopefully a stronger opponent.

[Runnin]

She has the media on her side as well. Look how hard they're pushing this stupid Miss America thing. There's no real news there. Everyone already knows Trump is a misogynist. And it's not even the worst thing he's said about women. But they are pushing it real hard. It's also true that Trump is too much of a vain dolt to move on from it.

That story is all on Trump. He is the one who started punching it like it was a tar baby - he's still tweeting about it. The Clinton team schooled him on that one.

It's absurd how easy it was, considering how great his temperament is.

[AerchAngel]

That story is all on Trump. He is the one who started punching it like it was a tar baby - he's still tweeting about it. The Clinton team schooled him on that one.

It's absurd how easy it was, considering how great his temperament is.

That is offensive to us blacks. I know you are better than that.

[Runnin]

That is offensive to us blacks. I know you are better than that.

What?

You need to learn your Uncle Remus.

The allusion is exactly what the Clinton team did. They brought up the story and dared him to attack it.

[Runnin]

The Machado bait probably is a long game trap to get Trump to attack Hillary on Bill's affairs at the 2nd debate.

While Trump and his followers will surely get some immediate satisfaction from needling Hillary, the final outcome will likely be a net gain for her. It will garner sympathy for and humanize her in a way that she has a hard time doing on her own. Well played. Trump has no impulse control is really is very predictable.

[AerchAngel]

What?

You need to learn your Uncle Remus.

The allusion is exactly what the Clinton team did. They brought up the story and dared him to attack it.

Wigga, please :rolleyes:



"Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider "tar baby" to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[15] The Oxford English Dictionary defines "tar baby" as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[16] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)".[17][18]

Several United States politicians—including presidential candidates John Kerry, John McCain, Michele Bachmann, and Mitt Romney—have been criticized by civil rights leaders, the media, and fellow politicians for using the "tar baby" metaphor.[18][19] An article in The New Republic argued that people are "unaware that some consider it to have a second meaning as a slur" and it "is an obscure slur, not even known to be so by a substantial proportion of the population." It continued that, "those who feel that tar baby's status as a slur is patently obvious are judging from the fact that it sounds like a racial slur".[20]"

It is a racial slur I grew up with and called outside of n*igger.

So take the Uncle Remus sh*t, shine it sideways and stick it up your candy ass.

[Metaphysicist]

An article in The New Republic argued that people are "unaware that some consider it to have a second meaning as a slur" and it "is an obscure slur, not even known to be so by a substantial proportion of the population." It continued that, "those who feel that tar baby's status as a slur is patently obvious are judging from the fact that it sounds like a racial slur".[20]"

Your own article doesn't really support your point. Reminds me of people getting upset about "niggardly."

I don't doubt that some people have called black kids "tar babies," but that's not the common usage (I looked in a couple of online dictionaries and none of them referenced the racial angle). I would liken it to calling folks "monkeys;" calling a person either one is wildly offensive, but the use of the word in it's proper context has no implied racial overtones.

[AerchAngel]

Your own article doesn't really support your point. Reminds me of people getting upset about "niggardly."

I don't doubt that some people have called black kids "tar babies," but that's not the common usage (I looked in a couple of online dictionaries and none of them referenced the racial angle). I would liken it to calling folks "monkeys;" calling a person either one is wildly offensive, but the use of the word in it's proper context has no implied racial overtones.

so says you.

It is a derogatory used by whites in my neck of the woods back in the 70's when growing up.

Real life events, capisce.

[Runnin]

Wigga, please :rolleyes:



"Although the term's provenance rests in African folklore (i.e., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia), some Americans consider "tar baby" to be a pejorative term for African Americans.[15] The Oxford English Dictionary defines "tar baby" as "a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it",[16] but the online subscription-only version adds a second definition: "a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)".[17][18]

Several United States politicians—including presidential candidates John Kerry, John McCain, Michele Bachmann, and Mitt Romney—have been criticized by civil rights leaders, the media, and fellow politicians for using the "tar baby" metaphor.[18][19] An article in The New Republic argued that people are "unaware that some consider it to have a second meaning as a slur" and it "is an obscure slur, not even known to be so by a substantial proportion of the population." It continued that, "those who feel that tar baby's status as a slur is patently obvious are judging from the fact that it sounds like a racial slur".[20]"

It is a racial slur I grew up with and called outside of n*igger.

So take the Uncle Remus sh*t, shine it sideways and stick it up your candy ass.

I have actually read the story and it has NOTHING to do with race. It's about craftiness and pretending to be afraid of what someone might do to you while actually baiting them to do that very thing. This is, I have argued, exactly what Hillary appears to do have done to Trump. Yes, the term "tar baby" is in the story. Perhaps the use of that term was insensitive, or appears insensitive now. I can see that. But so what? That's water under the bridge. Grow up for Chissakes and get over it.

The story does comes from African American folk wisdom, which I admit I've always been fond of, even if it was compiled and published by a white man. I'm sorry you experienced racials slurs. I have too. It's not fun. But life goes on and you should know the difference between an actual slur and someone just using the word. You should save your vitriol for non-Braves fans who are actually slinging hate your way.

[weso1]

The NYT just broke the law by illegally publishing Trump's past income return. It shows what most everyone already expected. Trump took a big loss at one point and has used that to pay little tax since that point. Trump could win the election on this if he handled this right. Spoiler alert, he won't.