Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

[zbhargrove]

Cmon man. How many "number 3" starters have a significantly below average ERA? Since he's come up, Wood has the 23rd best ERA of any starter. Is Lance Lynn a 3? Jake Shields?

Since Wood has come up:

Wood 8.23 k/9, 2.64 bb/9, 0.66 hr/9, 3.10 ERA, 3.17 FIP, 3.42 xFIP, 6.4 WAR
Miller 7.50 k/9, 3.18 bb/9, 0.91 hr/9, 3.11 ERA, 3.87 FIP, 4.02 xFIP, 5.3 WAR

What is Miller a 3 or a 4?

This year Miller has taken a step forward... Wood a step back. Funny hearing you use ERA as your main point when you laugh at anyone else using it.

[thethe]

Wood is at worst a #2. I've always been interested in trading him though.

[gilesfan]

This year Miller has taken a step forward... Wood a step back. Funny hearing you use ERA as your main point when you laugh at anyone else using it.

You would have a point if his FIP wasn't even better, which projects him nicely in the future.

[sturg33]

Wood is at worst a #2. I've always been interested in trading him though.

Same... for an impact prospect or established bat

[smootness]

Wait a second. That isn't absolute upside but I think a reasonable projection based on reports I've read. Has to stay healthy though.

I would say .280 with 20 HR is reasonable as an upside for Olivera. I would be shocked if anyone suggested he could reasonably give you more than that.

[Enscheff]

I would say .280 with 20 HR is reasonable as an upside for Olivera. I would be shocked if anyone suggested he could reasonably give you more than that.

I think that's exactly the type of hitter the Braves think they are getting, plus a .350+ OBP...all for about $5M per year at a position of dire need. If Olivera slashes anywhere close to .280/.350/.450 with average defense at 3B, then I think this trade is just fine. The Braves obviously think that's the kind of hitter he is. I have no idea what he will produce offensively, but he was super hyped when he was a FA, most likely for good reason.

[smootness]

I think that's exactly the type of hitter the Braves think they are getting, plus a .350+ OBP...all for about $5M per year at a position of dire need. If Olivera slashes anywhere close to .280/.350/.450 with average defense at 3B, then I think this trade is just fine. The Braves obviously think that's the kind of hitter he is. I have no idea what he will produce offensively, but he was super hyped when he was a FA, most likely for good reason.

Then they paid for his upside without accounting for his risks...so a bad deal.

And he's not going to put up an OBP of .350+, certainly not if he hits .280.

[gilesfan]

This year Miller has taken a step forward... Wood a step back. Funny hearing you use ERA as your main point when you laugh at anyone else using it.

so his "step back" is one of the top 20 pitchers in the national league? Is Teheran a 5 then since he took a step back this year?

[weso1]

But we didn't gain $35M... It's not like LAD took a bad contract off our hands... they're just giving us a player they had to overpay to sign (via the tax and bonus) for cheaper. That doesn't give us MORE money towards our payroll

That's true, but it does give us a good player at a position of need for a very team friendly contract. So we don't need a 3B now and we still will have plenty of money to spend to improve the roster.

[gilesfan]

I think that's exactly the type of hitter the Braves think they are getting, plus a .350+ OBP...all for about $5M per year at a position of dire need. If Olivera slashes anywhere close to .280/.350/.450 with average defense at 3B, then I think this trade is just fine. The Braves obviously think that's the kind of hitter he is. I have no idea what he will produce offensively, but he was super hyped when he was a FA, most likely for good reason.

Where did you come up with .350+ OBP?

[SidSlid92]

I'm kind of stumped by those who seem indifferent about the the $35m that we effectively gained in this trade. That will buy SIGNIFICANT baseball talent for this team in the coming years, whether it's spent on International FAs, buying prospects in salary dumps, or good old-fashioned free agents.

They are not going to set the money on fire or sheepishly hand a stuffed envelope to Liberty execs.

Where do you calculate $35 million? Wood Peraza Jj Avilan don't combine to make $35 million

[zbhargrove]

so his "step back" is one of the top 20 pitchers in the national league? Is Teheran a 5 then since he took a step back this year?

Teheran is definitely not a TOR starter right now, and Alex Wood is not a top 20 pitcher this year. Of course, you think Strasburg is an ace so I can't argue with you.

[smootness]

That's true, but it does give us a good player at a position of need for a very team friendly contract. So we don't need a 3B now and we still will have plenty of money to spend to improve the roster.

If Olivera is healthy, that will hopefully give us a 3B, yes. And his contract would them be fine.

But there's a little ways to go before we can cross that off the needs list.

[sturg33]

If Olivera is healthy, that will hopefully give us a 3B, yes. And his contract would them be fine.

But there's a little ways to go before we can cross that off the needs list.

It's also important to note that Olivera is not a normal prospect with regards to service time. It's not like we get to start his clock when he comes up. His clock is already started...

[smootness]

Where do you calculate $35 million? Wood Peraza Jj Avilan don't combine to make $35 million

He's using Olivera's signing bonus. In reality, we save a little on Avilan ($1 million?) and nothing on Wood for 2016. So it's really just the $4.5 million we saved on Arroyo.

[smootness]

It's also important to note that Olivera is not a normal prospect with regards to service time. It's not like we get to start his clock when he comes up. His clock is already started...

Oh, he certainly has to produce immediately.

[SidSlid92]

Still no confirmation of the deal, so still holding out hop

[SidSlid92]

Still no confirmation of the deal, so still holding out hope there's more to it

[CyYoung31]

Just got an update on the Dodgers and Marlins deal, with no mention of the Braves...

[TXBravesFan]

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 6m6 minutes ago
#Braves acquire 3 players - including IF Hector Olivera - and 2016 draft selection in 13-player, three-team trade: