Implications of the Trade

[The Chosen One]

Game 3 Teheran got destroyed in LA.

Game 4 Fredi probably should've used Kimbrel but we can go back and forth about that for ages.

[yeezus]

Game 3 Teheran got destroyed in LA.

Game 4 Fredi probably should've used Kimbrel but we can go back and forth about that for ages.

We were still losing that game we should've used Kimbrel in.

Our offense was wildly inconsistent that year, and it showed in the playoffs. Simmons' defense didn't win us that series. That's the series Chipper picked against us because we just weren't the better team.

[50PoundHead]

The team's biggest strength was it's defense and pitching. The offense was slightly above average but the pitching and defense was 5th and 7th best in the league. Overall it was a well rounded team.

I just don't see how you can state WAR is useless due to the way you think it overvalues defense then use Simmons as an example of why a 96 team really wasn't that good because his WAR was high.

Who is saying it's useless. I'm pointing out the Simmons oWar was the best in his career thus far (by far) in 2013.

And as for the K issue, Ks don't matter if the risk/reward ratio is in balance. If you hit the ball a long ways when you hit it successfully, the nature of the out doesn't matter that much. The problem comes when you K and don't slug and have nothing else to fall back on offensively (lack of team speed, ball-in-play capability, etc.). Braves struck out by the a very thin margin more from 2013 to 2014 (1384 to 1369), but dropped by 58 HRs (181 to 123).

[gilesfan]

Kimbrel comes into the 8th with a 1 run lead and we have a very good shot at winning. Then come home to the same exact situation as Game 2, which we won. Unfortunately Kimbrel was left in the bullpen with his dick in his hand.

The 2013 team was really good.

The lineup:

114 OPS+
124
147
109
118
124
90
87

The playoff rotation:

117 ERA+
117
121

and Kimbrel/Carpenter/Avilan at the back end.

[gilesfan]

Claiming the offense was "inconsistent" in a playoff series is just stupid...for the lack of a better word.

[sturg33]

Kimbrel comes into the 8th with a 1 run lead and we have a very good shot at winning. Then come home to the same exact situation as Game 2, which we one. Unfortunately Kimbrel was left in the bullpen with his dick in his hand.

The 2013 team was really good.

The lineup:

114 OPS+
124
147
109
118
124
90
87

The playoff rotation:

117 ERA+
117
121

and Kimbrel/Carpenter/Avilan at the back end.

We actually would have had a fully rested Medlen vs a short rest Grienke, IIRC

[Dalyn]

We were still losing that game we should've used Kimbrel in.

Kimbrel has K'd Uribe every time they've faced each other. I'm confident we would've won that game with him pitching.

[Tapate50]

Kimbrel has K'd Uribe every time they've faced each other. I'm confident we would've won that game with him pitching.

UGH.

[smootness]

We were still losing that game we should've used Kimbrel in.

What? Why?

[yeezus]

Claiming the offense was "inconsistent" in a playoff series is just stupid...for the lack of a better word.

Who said that?
It was inconsistent all year, and K'd a ton, which many analysts pointed out throughout the year. It led many to question our chances of winning a series in the playoffs. I'm quite sure you were critical of our chances that year. When Chipper picked against us, you stood to his defense saying it was totally justified.

[yeezus]

What? Why?

I remembered wrong and thought we were already losing at that point when Kimbrel didn't come in.
I was just as furious as anyone at that time. Still am, really.

[thewupk]

Who is saying it's useless. I'm pointing out the Simmons oWar was the best in his career thus far (by far) in 2013.

And as for the K issue, Ks don't matter if the risk/reward ratio is in balance. If you hit the ball a long ways when you hit it successfully, the nature of the out doesn't matter that much. The problem comes when you K and don't slug and have nothing else to fall back on offensively (lack of team speed, ball-in-play capability, etc.). Braves struck out by the a very thin margin more from 2013 to 2014 (1384 to 1369), but dropped by 58 HRs (181 to 123).

I'm mainly talking about Heyward the poster. And yeah the risk vs reward was acceptable in 2013 but clearly not in 2014.