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    And they made him the highest paid receiver in the game. Julio shouldn't have signed the contract if he didnt like it rather than pouring and taking it out on the team.this is another case of "it's not about money its about respect and they can show me that respect by paying me more money"
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    I hold nothing against Julio. I wish him the best. He's in the twilight of his career and if he wanted to go elsewhere it's ok. I wish he left on a better terms, but he's a legend for the Falcons. If not for Kyle Shanahan he and Ryan would have statues of themselves already outside Mercedes Benz Stadium.
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    Arthur Blank gains almost nothing by putting this out there, but there were and are fans that hate them for moving on. This read like an explanation rather than scape goating. It lines up if you look at JJ and his numbers\participation.

    That said- I noticed more and more Julio was sitting out at important junctures in games. He became very coverable in the red zone the last two years.
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    I mean Julio is also over the hill. Look at numbers from guys like Antonio Brown and Randy Moss, At 30 Randy Moss was amazing, at 31 he was beginning to slip, basically by 33 he wasn't able to stay on the field, at 30 BRown was still good though slipping from his late 20s, and his 31 and 32 year old seasons are hard to compare because of his offfield ****.
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    From what I read, Julio got irked that negotiations took so long. The relationship started to sour. I also read that he had a good relationship with Dan Quinn, so when he was fired, that was apparently the last straw for him. I mean Quinn obviously had to be fired, but it's understandable the Julio would be upset with tem firing a coach he was close with.

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    Saints demolishing the Packers. GB has run 12 plays with 1 minute left in the first half. 17-0.
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    Aaron Rodgers can eat my ass. ****ing cost me my fantasy win.
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    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    From what I read, Julio got irked that negotiations took so long. The relationship started to sour. I also read that he had a good relationship with Dan Quinn, so when he was fired, that was apparently the last straw for him. I mean Quinn obviously had to be fired, but it's understandable the Julio would be upset with tem firing a coach he was close with.
    I'd like a coach a lot if he always let me off of practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I mean I feel for Matt Ryan. He never really had to deal with a team quite this bad. He has weapons, and the line isn't a total disaster, but they're missing so much quality across the board. But Ryan keeps dragging them along to compete. Honestly I hope we trade him this off-season to a team with a title shot. He's been way too good for Atlanta, I'd hate for him to be a QB who never wins it all.
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    I still can't believe Atlanta drafted a TE. This team is wretched and they drafted a luxury. I don't think the new coaching staff and front office is going to be around terribly long.

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    Man, looking back at a list of Heisman winners. It's borderline curse,

    Look at winners since 1990

    Ty Detmer
    Desmond Howard
    Gino Torretta
    Charlie Ward
    Rashaan Salaam
    Eddie George
    Danny Wuerffel
    Charles Woodson
    Ricky Williams
    Ron Dayne
    Chris Weinke
    Eric Crouch
    Carson Palmer
    Jason White
    Matt Leinart
    Reggie Bush
    Troy Smith
    Tim Tebow
    Sam Bradford
    Mark Ingram
    Cam Newton
    RG3
    Johnny Manziel
    Marcus Mariota
    Derrick Henry
    Lamar Jackson
    Baker Mayfield
    Kyler Murray
    Joe Burrow

    Obviously Charles Woodson is a god. and who knows what happens with the younger kids. But generally speaking, it's almost like a 50% total failure rate. And with Quarterbacks it's maybe 25%? RBs at much higher rates.
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    4 of the last 5 are beasting it currently and Burrow was good before the injury last year. Too early to tell this year, but he isn't going to make it if Cincy can't do a better job keeping him off the dirt.

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    I don't want to talk too much about the recents. Because things can change. Like if Henry starts sucking (unlikely) he'd still kind of be a let down in a way.

    What makes it interesting overall to me is it seems like the Heisman really favors running QBs. Which shouldn't be shocking but also explains the failure rate as running QBs have a high NFL failure rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I don't want to talk too much about the recents. Because things can change. Like if Henry starts sucking (unlikely) he'd still kind of be a let down in a way.

    What makes it interesting overall to me is it seems like the Heisman really favors running QBs. Which shouldn't be shocking but also explains the failure rate as running QBs have a high NFL failure rate.
    Yeah, Tebow is the classic example. One of the greatest college QB's ever who totally outshone Stafford in the SEC East. However, it was Stafford that went first overall in the draft and who may end up in the HOF while Tebow is getting fitted for a chair in the broadcast booth. The pros requires a different skill set than college. There are some QBs who are successful in both places but often the most prolific college QBs lack some critical ability to succeed in the NFL.

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    I won't say Stafford won't end up in the hall. But unless he starts tearing **** up it's unlikely. Don't get me wrong, he's a rock solid qb. But he's basically been in the league about the same amount of time as Ryan (ryan has been around 1 more year, and has overall been healthier) He would need a SB win or 2 to get into the HOF discussion. Right now his best case scenario is a strong career finish and hope for the Jim Kelly experience.

    But you have to consider who he's competing with, as far as era (like 10 years) with guys like Brady, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Wilson, Eli, Cam. Right now he's on the Carson Palmer path it seems.

    Sorry, didn't mean to fully derail your point. COuldn't help myself.

    I think looking at it more. There's some years that are just a big ol' chef's kiss.

    2012 aside from Johnny Football winning, Manti Te'o was second and Collin Klein was 3rd. 2007 was another with Tebow, McFadden, and Colt Brennan. 06 with Troy Smith, McFadden and Brady Quinn. 01 with Crouch, Grossman and Dorsey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I don't want to talk too much about the recents. Because things can change. Like if Henry starts sucking (unlikely) he'd still kind of be a let down in a way.

    What makes it interesting overall to me is it seems like the Heisman really favors running QBs. Which shouldn't be shocking but also explains the failure rate as running QBs have a high NFL failure rate.
    Henry lead the league in rushing each of the last 2 years and it's not really close. Even if he retired tomorrow, he'd still have had a better career than probably 90% of the running backs in the league.

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    ANother retrospective night for me. 2011 NFL draft may be one of the best ever.

    HAlf the first round picks were probowlers.

    Featuring some of the best passrushing talents I can think of, Von Miller, Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Robert Quinn, Cam Jordan, Muhammed Wilkerson, Ryan Kerrigan, and Cameron Heyward. Cam is the only QB to be good in the first round. With other guys like Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder rounding out the mediocre draft class.

    Also looking at the other stars too, Dareus, Green, Peterson, Julio, Pouncey, and Ingram to round out the first round probowlers.

    Other quality players. SOme probowlers, some not. Nate Solder, Prince Amukamara, Anthony Castanzo, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Kyle Rudolph, Rodney Hudson, Randall Cobb, Jimmy Smith, Justin Houston, DeMarco Murray, Jurrell Casey, Torrey Smith, KJ Wright, Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas, Richard Sherman, Dion Lewis, Tyrod Taylor, Jason Kelce. Like I know you can do this in every draft, but you can build a hell of a team with that draft class with a pretty deep bench.
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