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    I keep coming back and laughing at the Panthers who traded the number 1 overall pick and number 10 overall pick to get the number 1 overall pick in a weaker QB draft. And most likely drafted the second best QB in the draft.
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    Definitely a head scratcher to draft a 5'10 QB number 1 overall and not have the necessary offensive talent around him to help him succeed.

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    What made it weird was they traded away McCaffrey and Moore and didn't really replace them. They drafted Mingo for sure, but they pushed chips in multiple places. in the end they traded 2 1s, Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore and 2025 2nd round pick to get Bryce Young, DJ Johnson, and a pick to be taken (2025 5th) Which is an insane trade. Even if the second 1 wasn't the number 1 overall. The fact that it wound up being the 1 overall made it all time bad. But even without that it was going to be bad. Especially when Moore and McCaffrey basically were the panthers offense. If you make that trade you better not miss. And with Stroud looking much more legit, it seems like they missed their shot (not that I think Stroud would have been this good for Carolina, Houston wound up being a much better team)

    Honestly as an outsider, I was ranking last year's QBs
    1. Stroud
    2. Levis
    3. Young
    4. AR15

    I don't feel as confident in my Levis ranking. I was charmed by his arm.
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    Musing over coaching trees. Pretty much every active coach come from the Walsh, Parcells, or Schottenheimer coaching tree. Traditionally in the NFL you consider a coaching tree to be when you're a coordinator, assistant coach, QB coach, etc. under a coach.

    Cardinals get there from Gannon to Sirianni to Reich to McCoy to McDaniels to Belichick to Parcells

    Falcons get there - Morris to Gruden to Holmgren to Walsh

    Ravens get there - Harbaugh to Reid to Holmgren to Walsh

    Bills get there same path as above.

    Panthers get that - Canales to Bowles to Sparano to Schottenheimer

    Bears have the same path as eagles, Eberflus to Reich to McCoy to McDaniels to Belichick to Parcells

    Bengals don't get there - THey come from the Shannahan tree which goes up through Dan Reeves and Tom Landry

    Browns get there - Stefanski to Zimmer to Parcells

    Cowboys get there - McCarthy to Rhodes to Walsh If you demand more than D-Backs coach then add Holmgren.

    Broncos get there 2 ways, Payton was a Rhodes Coach before becoming a Fassel coach Fassel to Handley to Parcells

    Dan Campbell gets there a weird way - He first was elevated under Joe Philbin - that gets you to either McCarthy or Sherman follow the McCarthy above, or Sherman was under Holmgren which gets you to Walsh

    Green Bay - I think doesn't get there because he most likely comes through the Shanahan pipeline, but you can kind of get there, too because he started under Kubiak who came through originally under seifert who was a Walsh guy.

    Texans - Ryans goes to Shanny who you can easily say under Kubiak, or you could put him under Gruden who gets you to Holmgren.

    Steichen is odd for indy, I think you have to go back to his first NFL gig because he didn't become a coord for a long time. I think he doesn't. I think he comes through the NOrv Turner pipeline which is it's own thing.

    Doug Pederson is the Andy Reid tree which gets you KC and Jax

    Pierce was hired by McDaniels so you get to BB easy.

    Jim Harbaugh came right from college so no tree.

    McVay Shanahan tree

    McDaniels also shanahan

    I think you see O'Connell through Jay and Jon Gruden get to Holmgren.

    Mayo is a straight line to BB

    I think you have to tie Dennis Allen to Dan Reeves

    Dabole comes through BB tree aka Parcells tree

    I think you have to put Salah in the Shanny pipeline because of Kubiak

    Tomlin to Dungy to Schottenheimer

    Talked about Kyle earlier

    Mike McDonald was an assistant under JOhn Harbaugh so that gets your reid.

    Talked about Bowles.

    I think you'd put Callahan under Fox, who is Fassel tree, which gets you ot Parcells

    Dan QUinn is either Steve Mariucci (Holmgren) or Dennis Erickson (organic)
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    What made it weird was they traded away McCaffrey and Moore and didn't really replace them. They drafted Mingo for sure, but they pushed chips in multiple places. in the end they traded 2 1s, Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore and 2025 2nd round pick to get Bryce Young, DJ Johnson, and a pick to be taken (2025 5th) Which is an insane trade. Even if the second 1 wasn't the number 1 overall. The fact that it wound up being the 1 overall made it all time bad. But even without that it was going to be bad. Especially when Moore and McCaffrey basically were the panthers offense. If you make that trade you better not miss. And with Stroud looking much more legit, it seems like they missed their shot (not that I think Stroud would have been this good for Carolina, Houston wound up being a much better team)

    Honestly as an outsider, I was ranking last year's QBs
    1. Stroud
    2. Levis
    3. Young
    4. AR15

    I don't feel as confident in my Levis ranking. I was charmed by his arm.
    Why? Levis looked pretty legit when he had time in the pocket. The difference in Levis and Tanne last year was night and day. And while Tanne isn't good, he's a capable enough starter on a team with enough talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Why? Levis looked pretty legit when he had time in the pocket. The difference in Levis and Tanne last year was night and day. And while Tanne isn't good, he's a capable enough starter on a team with enough talent.
    Tanne is the definition of mediocrity. the best example is look at what happened to AJ Brown when he left Tennessee for Philly. He went from a 1000 yard receiver to nearly a 1500 yard receiver. He's Trent Dilfer of the modern era. Not a bad guy in a pinch but not someone you build around.

    My love for levis cooled as the draft approached, I think he still could be a good QB. Right circumstances and whatnot. But he seemed too meatheady. His instincts seemed off. He seemed like the type who'd never be able to command an offense like Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, etc. He lacked the instincts, the awareness etc. That's not to say he can't get there of course. Players have gone from bad at that in college to great in the pros with the right coaching (Mahomes)

    I really have no ill will and wish the best for Levis but as the draft got closer I realized it basically was Stroud and a bunch of questions. Young's size and durability, AR15's ability to process anything mentally, and Levis developing the other skills needed for a QB.
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    Youngs durability couldn't really be questioned from his college time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Youngs durability couldn't really be questioned from his college time.
    When playing in college behind one of the best lines in the agme. you don't have to worry that much, when you're facing down players where the backup is better than most starters. So on so forth. For example, the best DL Bama faced was Carter, Carter wasn't close to one of the 30 best interior linemen last year. He could wind up there of course, but he isn't there.

    He's gonna get blown the **** up over and over again and with his small stature that's a lot of beatings.
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    Falcons have about 40M in cap space without restructuring.
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