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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    @AlbertBreer: The Bears have hired Saints director of player personnel Ryan Pace as their new general manager.

    Nice hire. Interesting that Pace refused an interview from the Jets.
    It would be easier to name people that didn't refuse an interview for the Jets GM Job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonCowboy View Post
    Aaron Rodgers has a slight tear in his calf. Expected to play, but may not be 100% against Dallas.
    Congrats to Seattle on their repeat, Rodgers at less than 100% is a sitting duck.

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    BREAKING - #Bucs announce Dirk Koetter as new offensive coordinator
    The Atlanta Braves signed Nick Markakis for 4/45 - Never forget 12/3/2014

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    I have no idea what the Falcons are trying to do here. Just freaking fire TD and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesnumberone View Post
    I have no idea what the Falcons are trying to do here. Just freaking fire TD and move on.
    Probably means the guys they interviewed for HC had no interest in keeping Koetter, instead of firing Koetter out of respect I think they let him hunt for another gig. He'll for sure miss Matty Ice in Tampa.
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    Why wouldnt Falcons just put Pioli in charge? Fire TD

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Why wouldnt Falcons just put Pioli in charge? Fire TD
    Disagree.

    TD is far from perfect, but he's built a pretty solid resume. It's easy to look at the past two years and call him a schmuck, but look at 2008-2012 and you have the architect of a team that won the most games in the NFC (second only to NE in the NFL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Disagree.

    TD is far from perfect, but he's built a pretty solid resume. It's easy to look at the past two years and call him a schmuck, but look at 2008-2012 and you have the architect of a team that won the most games in the NFC (second only to NE in the NFL).
    Yeah, and without some dumb luck and management they should have been 8-8 or 9-7 and been in the playoffs and getting destroyed by the Seahawks this weekend.
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    Cowboys have to run the ball and possess it for a long time in this one to win. Hopefully get the running game going. If Murray puts up 130, we have a decent shot. We should put up points on their defense. But Rodgers will pick us apart, even if he's a little banged up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Yeah, and without some dumb luck and management they should have been 8-8 or 9-7 and been in the playoffs and getting destroyed by the Seahawks this weekend.
    Which probably means Smitty is still around.
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    GOOD GAWD:

    Defensive Player of the Year

    JJ Watt, DE, Houston Texans

    Not much of a drum roll for this one. For the third straight year, Watt earns PFF Defensive Player of the Year. We’ve touted his jaw-dropping grades and statistics for a while now, but he continues to break the scale, despite opposing offenses doing their best to account for him on every snap.

    Watt’s +107.5 overall grade is the first to crack triple digits in the PFF era and while it’s not always fair to compare across positions, it may be best to compare him to the next best grade at his position… Jets DE Sheldon Richardson and his +39.9.

    As much as I touted Miller and Houston for their consistency and ability to take over a game, Watt takes that to an entirely new level with record-setting games of +15.0 in Week 4 and +16.2 in Week 16. His +91.9 pass rush grade looks like a misprint and his pass rushing totals look like that of an entire team as he notched 21 sacks, 44 QB hits, and 54 hurries while adding 10 batted passes, a skill for which he’s become famous.


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    I said it 3 years ago when people were slobbering on JPP calling him the next big thing, I said Watt was the best DL I had ever seen. Granted my memories of Reggie White are a bit foggy, but from what I remember Watt was better. Only thing stopping Watt from being GOAT is health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Disagree.

    TD is far from perfect, but he's built a pretty solid resume. It's easy to look at the past two years and call him a schmuck, but look at 2008-2012 and you have the architect of a team that won the most games in the NFC (second only to NE in the NFL).
    His drafts have stunk for the most part.

    Good 1st round picks, but nothing really in the middle rounds.

    Bad depth all-around also.

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    Watt is what should keep the cost for Suh somewhat reasonable. It would be tough to justify getting paid more than Watt.

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    Watt got around 16.6 a year, i dont know what Suh is asking for though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    His drafts have stunk for the most part.

    Good 1st round picks, but nothing really in the middle rounds.

    Bad depth all-around also.
    That's not fair, some of his drafts stunk, some were OK one or 2 was great.

    Falcons depth sucked before he got there, he wasn't able to address the situation because he was plugging bigger holes. Now that they've taken care of most of the holes they'll start having more depth picks.

    Lets look at his drafts again.

    This year produced 5 regular players, Matthews, Hageman, Southward, Freeman and Shembo, last year has produced 6 regular players, Trufant, ALford, Goodman, Toilolo, Maponga, Ishmael. Year before that was a suck draft as Konz, Holmes, and Massaquoi were the only regulars. 2011 had Julio, Dent, Quizz, and Bosher. 2010 had Spoon, Peters, Hawley, and Franks. 2009 had Moore, Owens, Jerry, Walker. 2008 had Ryan, Baker, Lofton, Douglas, Decoud, and Biermann. There was 1 turd, one ehhhh (2010) 2009 was pretty decent even though at the time it didn't look amazing. 2008 was amazing. Early returns on 2014 have been really good. 2013 was the depth draft and it's pretty good.

    Falcons have basically 2 issues, not getting max talent from high round OL and DL. Matthews and Hageman should buck that trend, but you don't know. But Konz, Jerry, etc. just never lived up to their billing. MEanwhile we're able to find useful DL depth quite fine. Massaqoi, Hawley, and Maponga are good weapons but not amazing.

    Only pick the Falcons have made and I gave a true WTF under Dimitroff was Holmes. He came from nowhere for me, like a legit non-draft prospect cause of his arms. I don't remember who I wanted them to draft, odds are he wouldn't have been much better as finding a regular starter after the late 3rd isn't easy in the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Watt is what should keep the cost for Suh somewhat reasonable. It would be tough to justify getting paid more than Watt.
    Well the fact that no QB is making over 20M yet should keep Suh's cost down, plus all his on the field issues he's had he basically has a 0 tolerance from the NFL. He'll be fined and maybe suspended for anything he does that's questionable.

    With Suh he will be right around Watt and McCoy's 50M guaranteed. That's a lot of guaranteed dough. Average salary doesn't matter, though you can argue with Watt and McCoy was they didn't hit FA. They were under contract for another year or 2 before signing and that gives the team signing them leverage instead of letting them hit the open market to several teams waiting to sign them.
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    Suh needs to get paid big time. So he can see his favorite musical "Stomp" at least once a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    That's not fair, some of his drafts stunk, some were OK one or 2 was great.

    Falcons depth sucked before he got there, he wasn't able to address the situation because he was plugging bigger holes. Now that they've taken care of most of the holes they'll start having more depth picks.

    Lets look at his drafts again.

    This year produced 5 regular players, Matthews, Hageman, Southward, Freeman and Shembo, last year has produced 6 regular players, Trufant, ALford, Goodman, Toilolo, Maponga, Ishmael. Year before that was a suck draft as Konz, Holmes, and Massaquoi were the only regulars. 2011 had Julio, Dent, Quizz, and Bosher. 2010 had Spoon, Peters, Hawley, and Franks. 2009 had Moore, Owens, Jerry, Walker. 2008 had Ryan, Baker, Lofton, Douglas, Decoud, and Biermann. There was 1 turd, one ehhhh (2010) 2009 was pretty decent even though at the time it didn't look amazing. 2008 was amazing. Early returns on 2014 have been really good. 2013 was the depth draft and it's pretty good.

    Falcons have basically 2 issues, not getting max talent from high round OL and DL. Matthews and Hageman should buck that trend, but you don't know. But Konz, Jerry, etc. just never lived up to their billing. MEanwhile we're able to find useful DL depth quite fine. Massaqoi, Hawley, and Maponga are good weapons but not amazing.

    Only pick the Falcons have made and I gave a true WTF under Dimitroff was Holmes. He came from nowhere for me, like a legit non-draft prospect cause of his arms. I don't remember who I wanted them to draft, odds are he wouldn't have been much better as finding a regular starter after the late 3rd isn't easy in the NFL.
    He misses on the lines too much. The slam dunks or high percentage picks for the lines has been awful. We can't even get league average play from his first and second round line picks. Not even close!

    Pioli put some talent together in KC. I can't complain about him getting the reins.
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