I am a huge Manning fan for obvious reasons and would probably agree with you about Peyton. Peyton did have teo HoF receivers for most of his career and Brees never had a Pro Bowl receiver until he was 40. Peyton had much better defenses throughout his career. Even the best defense the Saints have had in recent years iant close to as good as what Peyton had in Denver. I would also take issue with characterizing Brees as having the second best HC and GM. 06-09 and 17-current I would agree but between that was some seriously incompetent **** by HC and GM. I was on here ranting about wanting Payton fired for years. Payton is a genius when it comes to offense but he was seriously costing the team 2-3 wins a year for years because his situational management of late games was some of the dumbest **** I have ever seen. For example punting the ball down 6 with 2 minutes to go when you have a historically bad defense instead of going for a 4th and short on the 50 yard line with an elite offense. Spoiler warning, it never worked. Not once. Not. Even. Once. He did this for 8 years and I **** you not ot failed every time until a late season Steelers game in 2017.
But anyways, I could agree Peyton was better, but I think Brees is better than Brady.
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Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
I mean it's hard to compare.
Reggie Wayne spent his whole career with Peyton. His post Peyton numbers he had one good year, and it's not like Luck was a bum. Harrison obviously was great but he didn't break 1000 yards until he was 26.
Comparing Brady and anyone is hard. Brady was won so much. We won't know his real place unless Belichick never wins again.
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QBs can make Wrs, not the other way around
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I can only imagine the carnage the Saints offense would have left in its wake if prime Brees had Randy Moss for a deep threat.
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Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
I dont really know much about the offense Peyton ran. I do however know how important having that over the top deep threat is to Sean Paytons offense. Forcing those safeties to play deep makes the run and short game all that more effective.
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Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
Peyton's offense was all over the place. He made the use of the talent he had. Actually who I think he would have loved except for his stone hands is TO. Owens ability to run tight routes and ability to make huge plays after the catch would have been top notch for Peyton.
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Carp (01-11-2021)
this broadcast on nickelodeon is wild
lol at Brees. Was not in after all.
FFF - BB, BB, 2B, HR, 2B, HR, 1B, BB, BB, 1B, BB, BB, HR
Covered the spread. Battle of the GOATs next week in the Superdome.
FFF - BB, BB, 2B, HR, 2B, HR, 1B, BB, BB, 1B, BB, BB, HR
lol Steelers game is over
Carp (01-11-2021)
Yep. I mean elite WRs are likely to be elite wherever they go, but it's unlikely to greatly affect the overall stats of the QB, aside from the exceptions like TO, Moss, or Megatron.
But there are more mediocre WRs that get made into elite WRs by their QB, than there are Mediocre QBs that get made into elite QBs by their WRs. In fact, the only examples of the latter I can think of are may be Culpepper and Jeff Garcia.
I don't disagree that typically the WR is made by the QB. But there is a tiny bit of give and take as well.
For example, Julio would be a great WR without Ryan, he just wouldn't be the best in the league. I would comp it to Larry Fitzgerald. He could have maybe been the best WR in the game with his insane hands, route running, etc. He never broke the 1500 yard barrier, he never broke the 15 TD barrier, and that was because of his QBs.
I actually think the right way to do it is like the Saints and Pats have done. Instead of having a star like Julio or Moss. Having a bunch of quality and serviceable guys.
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