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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    I highly doubt it.
    Really no reason he shouldn’t be. He makes all the throws for the top program in the nation. Has elite arm talent and ideal size. And he’s already been great and will continue to get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    They were average last year but had some free agency attrition (Dupree, Campbell, etc) and are a year older. Jarrett is also over 30 and coming off an ACL injury.

    This defense has experienced natural erosion with very, very little in the way of addition. They've gone from average to awful and need additions to aspire to average.
    Yes we are losing a couple guys but you also aren’t accounting for the improvement of the young guys. I do think Ebeketie and Harrison are on their way to being solid if not very good pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Yes we are losing a couple guys but you also aren’t accounting for the improvement of the young guys. I do think Ebeketie and Harrison are on their way to being solid if not very good pieces.
    You also need to account for potential decline of others. Onyemata is on the wrong side of 30. Jarrett is also over 30 and coming off a knee injury.

    Also, our DB situation is an absolute mess.

    The defense is going to be bad this year. It could be only pretty bad or it could be really bad. But it will be bad.

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    I dont hate the Penix pick as much as everyone else. The ceiling for the Falcons with Cousins is very likely the Division round of the playoffs. I think Penix with 2 years to prepare and get a proper pro level conditioning can be a good QB. I think thats a good situation for him. If he is good it wont matter than they took him 8th.
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    Conditioning ? Like get his cardio up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I dont hate the Penix pick as much as everyone else. The ceiling for the Falcons with Cousins is very likely the Division round of the playoffs. I think Penix with 2 years to prepare and get a proper pro level conditioning can be a good QB. I think thats a good situation for him. If he is good it wont matter than they took him 8th.
    Sitting a 21 year old QB two years is easier than sitting a 24 year old. I can't fathom drafting a 24 year old QB in the top 10 with the intention of him not playing until he's 26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    Sitting a 21 year old QB two years is easier than sitting a 24 year old. I can't fathom drafting a 24 year old QB in the top 10 with the intention of him not playing until he's 26.
    I think the age angle is pretty overblown. Quarterbacks can play until they are 45 in the modern NFL. Whether he’s ready at age 24 or 26 is beside the point imo.

    The bigger sin is the Falcons are punting the best parts of having a young QB, the low cap hit. By the time Penix is established, they’re going to be on the clock to extend him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    I think the age angle is pretty overblown. Quarterbacks can play until they are 45 in the modern NFL. Whether he’s ready at age 24 or 26 is beside the point imo.

    The bigger sin is the Falcons are punting the best parts of having a young QB, the low cap hit. By the time Penix is established, they’re going to be on the clock to extend him.
    A lot of QBs start to decline in their early 30s. Russell Wilson is one example. Cam Newton was done by age 30. You also start seeing injuries increasing after 30 which is very relevant with Penix.

    The low cap hit is a big deal as well. If you draft a 24 year old, one of the benefits is they should be more ready to play and so you get more out of the rookie deal. The Falcons are frittering that away.

    I also have an issue with them trying to straddle the fence between competing now and competing in the future. If you make Cousins one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL you're saying you're going for it now. If you do that you need to put everything into winning now, especially with a roster that has major holes like the Falcons'. If you draft Penix, you're building for a window to open in a year or two.

    If you sign Cousins and draft Penix you're saying you're not committed to winning it all and a brief playoff appearance is enough, but you're also not committing to getting Penix broken in and are delaying a real window probably 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Really no reason he shouldn’t be. He makes all the throws for the top program in the nation. Has elite arm talent and ideal size. And he’s already been great and will continue to get better.
    He's losing his 2 best weapons. He had a very good year, in 2023, but not really amazing in any way.

    I probably shouldn't have said "I highly doubt it", because the class overall is very weak at the moment. I just think someone sets themselves apart as the season goes on, and I just don't think it's going to be Beck.

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    Falcons said they were in search of CB help, an actual hole on the roster and said “ We would have liked to add that position, but you do’t want to force a reach or do something you shouldn’t.“

    Jeez bro. Read the room
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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    A lot of QBs start to decline in their early 30s. Russell Wilson is one example. Cam Newton was done by age 30. You also start seeing injuries increasing after 30 which is very relevant with Penix.

    The low cap hit is a big deal as well. If you draft a 24 year old, one of the benefits is they should be more ready to play and so you get more out of the rookie deal. The Falcons are frittering that away.

    I also have an issue with them trying to straddle the fence between competing now and competing in the future. If you make Cousins one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL you're saying you're going for it now. If you do that you need to put everything into winning now, especially with a roster that has major holes like the Falcons'. If you draft Penix, you're building for a window to open in a year or two.

    If you sign Cousins and draft Penix you're saying you're not committed to winning it all and a brief playoff appearance is enough, but you're also not committing to getting Penix broken in and are delaying a real window probably 4 years.
    I agree with all of this, especially paragraphs 2 and 3, less so 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Falcons said they were in search of CB help, an actual hole on the roster and said “ We would have liked to add that position, but you do’t want to force a reach or do something you shouldn’t.“

    Jeez bro. Read the room
    What this guy has said since the draft have made matters infinitely worse. Sheesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    I agree with all of this, especially paragraphs 2 and 3, less so 1.

    Penix has already had four season ending injuries. FOUR. I’d be wary of drafting a QB on that alone.

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