And the Saints beat them twice that year.....
And the Saints beat them twice that year.....
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They couldnt stop the Deuce and Aaron Brooks... and the Mouth of the South, Joe Horn.Originally Posted by cajunrevenge
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What the **** did you just say?
Hmm, Buffalo's 04 defense was up there too. 03 Ravens were arguably better than 99, that was when they added Terrell Suggs and Ed Reed was starting to hit his stride, 08 Steelers had a great defense, Also 2015 Denver had an amazing defense. And you could certainly argue Tampa being the best of all the them. I'll give you that. But really, the game boils down to the fact that Tampa was able to gameplan perfectly cause Oakland didn't change the playbook enough. Gruden stepped in on Scout Team offense to be Gannon.
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The 2000 Titans had a better defense than the 2000 Ravens.
Over the season yes, as far as when it counted, Baltimore peaked at the right time. Baltimore took off in the playoffs giving up 23 points over the whole course, 1 less point than they scored on the Titans in the playofffs that year.
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Their offense didn't score 24 points against the Titans though. Both offenses scored 10 points, though the Titans kicking game was terrible and should have had another 9 points. The Ravens got 2 TDs from returning a blocked FG for a TD and McNair under throwing George who tipped to Lewis for a pick 6. Basically the Titans outplayed the Ravens both on offense and defense all game, but lost because their kicking game was beyond atrocious.
This.
Didn't say their offense scored those points. POinting out that the Ravens defense came up better.
Titans defense played fine but let's not consider who they were playing against. Titans had Steve McNair, Eddie George, and Derrick Mason. 3 Excellent players. All hanging around the edges of the Hall. Personally think Mason is a hall of Famer myself. But anyway. The Titans defense was facing Jamal Lewis, an old Shannon Sharpe, and Trent Dilfer. 1 hall of famer way past his prime, one borderline hall of famer and one should have been a backup QB. The Titans defense should have performed better than the Ravens
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You make a good point, but McNair, while solid thanks to his playmaking ability, wasn’t a great passer until a couple years later.
And I wouldn’t say Sharpe was way past his prime. He had over 800 receiving yards, which was more than all of the Titans’ receivers, including Mason. He also had an 80 yard TD in that game thanks to a busted coverage.
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Sharpe in his prime was a 60-70 YPG TE. Being the primary target in Baltimore he was still only at 50 YPG. Still a great TE but it was like Gonzalez in Atlanta or when DeMarcus Ware joined the Broncos. Great players who still had a great impact but way past their prime. For a more modern example, it would be like a team signing AJ Green right now. Green still has game. He's got stuff to give. But he's not AJ Green of 2012-2016. Even looking at the best WR of this era Julio Jones, I acknowledge that Julio is still truly amazing, elite, he's not a 100+ yard per game average receiver anymore. Even if he's still a beast.
Anyway. McNair in 2000 was when he started moving to the top of the order. It's when his COMP% and NY/A started moving up. Sure he wasn't as good as he was in 2003 but he wasn't bad either. He was average to above average. As compared to Trent Dilfer, who's DYAR and DVOA rating was 39th, meaning that a bunch of backups got enough playing time to be better than him.
Mason had 890 yards receiving in 2000. And was Targeted 15 less times.
Unrelated, can we take a minute to discuss the most underrated QB of that era though, Trent Green. Forever remembered as the guy Kurt Warner replaced. From 2001 to 2005 green amassed 20K Yards, 111 TDs Numbers that aren't super far off from the best QB of that Era, Manning. Manning of course was better, but Green put up a bunch of amazing seasons and is seemingly forgotten about.
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Point was, the Ravens and Titans offenses were pretty comparable that year.
Green was a beast. I always wanted to see what he could’ve done with the greatest show on turf. Probably would’ve been largely the same.
They weren't that comparable. Baltimore had a better run game. That's true because Jamal Lewis was a beast. And their backup was freaking Priest Holmes. But it's not like Eddie George was a slouch. And Baltimore's passing game was the assiest of ass. If it wasn't for the fact that guys like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, and Chris Chandler stinking up the joint, they'd have been bottom of the league. Seriously, their QBs were that bad.
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Titans were 13th in total offense. Ravens were 14th. And both were run heavy teams that didn't like to pass, although McNair was certainly better than Dilfer. I think you're putting too much stock into the two offenses each defenses faced. They weren't that different.
Also, Eddie was actually better than Jamal Lewis that year. Yeah, Lewis had him beat in Y/A, but Eddie had almost 500 yards receiving to go with his 1500 yards and 14 rushing TDs.
Total offense is a silly stat. It lacks context. When we consider context the picture gets a bit cleared. Titans had the 16th most efficient Offense. Litteraly the middle of the pack, Ravens were 27th almost 9 full percentage points behind. For a comparison this year, that's about the difference between Atlanta and Tampa Bay. If you use weighted offense which adds context of opponent Baltimore moves to 23rd and is 12.2 percentage points behind, Which is the difference between Atlanta and the Bears. And you're right, George was better than Lewis, but not Lewis and Holmes. RB1+RB2 for Titans had about 1600 rushing yards and about 500 receiving yards or about 2100 total Yards. Lewis and Holmes had about 1900 rushing yards and about 500 Receiving Yards. Or about 2400 total yards. Of course that's without context. But I'm providing context to you that Baltimore wasn't just Jamal Lewis, it was Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes. WHen Holmes left Baltimore he became one of the top RBs in the league before he aged out. In 2003 Holmes Rushed for 1400 yards, received for just shy of 700 yards and Lewis rushed for over 2000 yards and received just over 200 hundred. Baltimore had 2 guys who would each have over 2000 total yard seasons on their team at the same time. The only unfortunate aspect is that doesn't really help you on offense. IT's like when the Rams had Kurt Warner and Trent Green. Didn't matter that they had 2 high quality QBs. Or when the Pats had Bledsoe and Brady. You don't need 2 great QBs. It's the biggest waste around.
Second unrelated to anything point as I'm diving through memory lane, Titans wound up getting the pick for Mason, by Trading Chris Chandler to the Falcons. Just an interesting bit of information.
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Okay, now do advanced defensive metrics. I'm curious, and I'm not looking it up.
Titans were better that year. I mentioned that way up above. But the difference was minimal. Ravens were 2nd with 23.8% DVOA and Titans were 1st with 25.0 and on weighted the Titans were 28.1 and Ravens 24. Ravens were basically equal to the Titans on stats, but the Titans schedule was harder than the Ravens. Not by a ton but by enough.
I mean really there's a few interesting things about that year with the 3 most efficient team overall
Titans were 1, Dolphins were 2 and Ravens were 3.
Titans had number 1 D, number 4 ST and number 16 offense
Dolphins were number 3 D, number 1 ST and number 18 offense
Ravens were number 2 D number 3 ST and number 22 offense
Ravens had the top non-adjusted VOA, but their SOS was hot garbage.
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Right. The only reason I mentioned anything about the Titans’ D, is that if they had won the Super Bowl that year like they were supposed to (best team in the league) they would’ve went down as an all-time great defense. Now, they’re virtually forgotten. Unfortunately, history is written by the winners.
True. last year's Chiefs were a better team than this year's chiefs. But no one remembers that because the Chiefs lost to the Pats in the playoffs. Pats weren't even that good last year. But the Chiefs defense was so bad last year.
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The XFL kickoff is pretty cool
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