Just thinking about the deals - it's nuts how much talent we've traded away. I'm not arguing the merits of whether we should, but boil it all down, and holy ****!
Jason Heyward
Justin Upton
Alex Wood
Craig Kimbrel
Evan Gattis
Jose Peraza
When you look at it, that's an unbelievable pool of talented that we've shipped out in less than 10 months.
Hope it works out for us
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Most of the individual trades seem reasonable when you look at them. However, when you look at the return of the players sent over for that list, it's pretty underwhelming, unfortunately.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
The only trade that seems underwhelming is Gattis and that might be a reflection of what baseball felt his true value was.
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JohnAdcox (08-05-2015)
You really wouldn't classify the Alex Wood trade as "underwhelming?"Originally Posted by thethe
I have no way of knowing yet. Have you seen Olivera play? Who is that draft pick going to be?
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JohnAdcox (08-05-2015)
Also a staggering amount of potential talent brought over by those trades
Shelby
Jace
ManBan
Jenkins
Fried
Olivera
Ruiz
Thurman
Peterson
Touki
Bird
Viz
3 top 75 draft picks - one of which was used on Riley
Gant
Whalen
Withrow
Wisler
Folty
Maybin
Sanchez
Mallex
Plus the release of BJ's salary
Not saying its going to work out or not -- but holy s*** that's a lot of potential talent coming back
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Thank you. I did not want to list it all. It works from both sides!
Again, nobody's arguing that. I'm just making a point that I can't remember a team who has traded away so much young talent in such a quick amount of time
JohnAdcox (08-05-2015)
Some of these were trades for different players, not the ones listed by the OP.
There are certainly some talented players on that list; some will make it, some won't. But, a few guys on that list are 40 FV prospects or below.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
And a few guys that we traded away were guys like Phil Gosselin and BJ Upton.
Bull****. You started a thread listing only the players traded away (while also conveniently leaving out key points like it being JUp's and Heyward's walk year, and the fact Gattis was a DH trying to play in the NL, and the unloading of major dead weight money in BJ) expressly to start another bitchfest about the rebuild.
Oh, and the farm system went from bottom 5 to top 5 in that same stretch, the very definition of young talent. You forgot that small point as well.
Last edited by Enscheff; 08-05-2015 at 11:24 AM.
I was making an additional point that I can't really remember a team acquiring so much young controllable talent in such a quick amount of time. Its crazy either way.
Calm down there guy.
I started a thread because it's a massive amount amount of talent we traded away. We got a lot back (i would certainly hope). The question, can anyone think of another team who's done something like this, and if so, was it successful?
Fried is a huge key to all this. If he busts then our return looks much worse. If he hits and becomes the next Cole Hamels, we look awesome. It's so easy to forget about him since we haven't seen him pitch.
I do wish we had dealt Maybin. I think he's starting to lose whatever magic he had the first half of the year. I would like to have seen us pick up a nice prospect and clear that salary.
I'll also be interested in seeing what we use the payroll flexibility on. Having money to spend on other pieces is very important.
Likely unparalleled.
"Yes, I did think Aldrich was good UNTIL I SAW HIM PLAY. "- thethe
jpx7 (08-05-2015)
Marlins do it all the time.
yup. Ultimately we will able to judge the rebuild to how quickly we return to being a sustainably competitive team. Right now it doesn't look like that will happen until the current crop of guys in the rookie leagues mature.
There's no doubt we traded away a crap ton of talent. But unprecedented? Absolutely not. Here's who the Marlins traded away after 1997:
Kevin Brown
Gary Sheffield
Moises Alou
Jeff Conine
Al Leiter
Edgar Renteria
Bobby Bonilla
Charles Johnson
Robb Nen
If you think our list is comparable to theirs, you're insane. They won another WS 5 years later.
But yes, we did trade away a lot of talent. And people are ripping the Padres because they didn't just trade away a ton of talent. In hindsight, the bigger indictment is that we win just 79 games with that talent last year, not that we traded it away.
Also, it will be hard to judge the return until we see everything that comes to fruition. For example, there's a chance that trading Heyward led to also trading Kimbrel, and by dumping BJ in the Kimbrel trade, it allows us to go get Heyward back, which wouldn't have been possible had we not first traded him.
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