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    Oh, that barren Braves farm system...

    This is the list I came up with on Saturday, August 8, of Braves who have made their MLB debuts in 2015
    (* original Braves draftee/signee)

    Brandon Cunniff
    Cody Martin*
    Andrew McKirahan
    Sugar Ray Marimon
    John Cornely*
    Williams Perez*
    Adonis Garcia
    Daniel Castro*
    Matt Wisley
    Jake Brigham
    Ryan Kelly
    Manny Banuelos
    Matt Marksberry*

    For good measure, these former Braves prospects also made their MLB debut in 2015:

    J.R. Graham
    Sean Gilmartin
    Kyle Kubitza

    Jace Peterson, Mike Foltynewicz debuted last year

    And I'm sure there are more to come!

    (Note: Martin and Cornely are no longer in the organization)
    Last edited by rico43; 08-08-2015 at 07:46 AM.

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    Williams Perez has been huge. His massive contributions outweigh everyone else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Cody Martin*
    Martin no longer in the organization)


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    Castro is going to be a useful bench player with an outside shot to develop along the lines of Prado/Infante.

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    It's not with having depth in the farm system at all. It's having injuries and trash at the big league level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywood View Post
    Damn you Wren.
    Are we still using Wren's 'number of players graduated' as the sole barometer of the farm system? Because I see very little impact talent in that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Are we still using Wren's 'number of players graduated' as the sole barometer of the farm system? Because I see very little impact talent in that list.
    You have to weight it by size of contribution. Most of which is emanating from Williams Perez this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    You have to weight it by size of contribution. Most of which is emanating from Williams Perez this year.
    Yep. You can't Harang this one on Wren until all the pros and cons are weighed. When dealing with something of this magnitude, it's important not to get Hinske. It won't be easy, in fact, I imagine it'll be Laird, but take your time and do it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Yep. You can't Harang this one on Wren until all the pros and cons are weighed. When dealing with something of this magnitude, it's important not to get Hinske. It won't be easy, in fact, I imagine it'll be Laird, but take your time and do it right.
    I'm really dissapointed that you couldn't fit a wood reference in there even though it didn't go along with the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I'm really dissapointed that you couldn't fit a wood reference in there even though it didn't go along with the post.


    I didn't have the Hart to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    This is the list I came up with on Saturday, August 8, of Braves who have made their MLB debuts in 2015
    (* original Braves draftee/signee)

    Brandon Cunniff
    Cody Martin*
    Andrew McKirahan
    Sugar Ray Marimon
    John Cornely*
    Williams Perez*
    Adonis Garcia
    Daniel Castro*
    Matt Wisley
    Jake Brigham
    Ryan Kelly
    Manny Banuelos
    Matt Marksberry*

    For good measure, these former Braves prospects also made their MLB debut in 2015:

    J.R. Graham
    Sean Gilmartin
    Kyle Kubitza

    Jace Peterson, Mike Foltynewicz debuted last year

    And I'm sure there are more to come!

    (Note: Martin and Cornely are no longer in the organization)
    I like some of those players, but I also feel like most of those players wouldn't even break replacement level WAR which is basically the entire premise of the stat.

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    Outside of Williams Perez its been slim pickins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Outside of Williams Perez its been slim pickins.
    Yep. Feast or famine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
    Yep. Feast or famine.
    Also know as Harang-Laird syndrome, where the strong crowd out the weak at the buffet table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Also know as Harang-Laird syndrome, where the strong crowd out the weak at the buffet table.
    Gorging of the Species

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    This is the list I came up with on Saturday, August 8, of Braves who have made their MLB debuts in 2015
    (* original Braves draftee/signee)

    Brandon Cunniff
    Cody Martin*
    Andrew McKirahan
    Sugar Ray Marimon
    John Cornely*
    Williams Perez*
    Adonis Garcia
    Daniel Castro*
    Matt Wisley
    Jake Brigham
    Ryan Kelly
    Manny Banuelos
    Matt Marksberry*

    For good measure, these former Braves prospects also made their MLB debut in 2015:

    J.R. Graham
    Sean Gilmartin
    Kyle Kubitza

    Jace Peterson, Mike Foltynewicz debuted last year

    And I'm sure there are more to come!

    (Note: Martin and Cornely are no longer in the organization)
    Mostly a bag full of spare parts except for those who Hart traded for. Perez has been serviceable and maybe could have been more than that had he not been hurt. I can't see where Wren gets extra credit for any of this...not that I really care.

    Either way, the Farm system was broken and had to be fixed. Pushing out 10 one second wonders a year doesn't equal the value of 1 long term core player in 5 years. The waiver wire is full of the kind of guys Wren was bringing to the Braves the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsehide Harry View Post
    Mostly a bag full of spare parts except for those who Hart traded for. Perez has been serviceable and maybe could have been more than that had he not been hurt. I can't see where Wren gets extra credit for any of this...not that I really care.

    Either way, the Farm system was broken and had to be fixed. Pushing out 10 one second wonders a year doesn't equal the value of 1 long term core player in 5 years. The waiver wire is full of the kind of guys Wren was bringing to the Braves the last few years.
    I agree with this. Under Wren, the Braves had a lot of success adding guys who were "system" guys that improved the overall depth of the farm system with "system" players, but there were very, very few difference makers who are long term prospects for the team. I guess I should say under Wren/DeMacio, as it was a Roy Clark lead scouting staff that signed Julio Teheran, Christian Bethancourt, brought in Arodys Viscaino the first time, drafted Freddie Freeman...etc. The only long term guy the DeMacio lead drafts produced was Andrelton Simmons. You could have made a case for Alex Wood, but he is now gone. Right now, we have hope in Braxton Davidson and Ozhaino Albies, but they are both still far away at this point.

    In the last year though, the Braves have added extremely high upside pieces in Max Fried, Touki Toussaint, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Austin Riley, Lucas Herbert, and I'll even say Bradley Keller along with international signings Leodys Baez, Derian Cruz, and Christian Pache. If they do add Kevin Maitan next year along with some more international bats to go along with whatever pitching they add in the draft (Alex Speas maybe), the Braves system will suddenly be back to what it once was with a lot of high upside talent in the system.

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    The Braves have two top 100's on the updated mlb.com list.

    Albies and Touki.

    Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    The Braves have two top 100's on the updated mlb.com list.

    Albies and Touki.

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    Interesting. They just put out a midseason top 30 list that had Wisler in between Albies and Toussaint. I guess they decided in that short time frame that Wisler is no longer a prospect?

    ETA: You missed Allard. They have him right at 100...interestingly behind Ashe Russell and Mike Nikorak, which I find stupid. But whatever.
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