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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I wouldn't DFA swisher until at least next ST. It's not like we're fighting for a playoff spot or something.

    Is it swisher's knee or his knees? If it's a knee, i wonder if we can repair it with surgery. 2 years ago he hit 22 hr's with a .341 obp. I certainly don't wanna hold him if he doesn't turn it around, but I'd at least give him till ST
    He just had both knees operated on last August.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueagleace1 View Post
    He just had both knees operated on last August.
    Uhhhh... That isn't a good sign then. I'd still give him till ST, but I wouldn't hold him if he performed poorly esp if Garcia can play LF, 3b, and 1b

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    Swisher is a good guy to keep on the bench during a rebuild season. I wouldn't worry about him until the 2016 deadline at the earliest.

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    A little late tonight because I was at the local minor league game, which the M-Braves were playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonCowboy View Post
    A little late tonight because I was at the local minor league game, which the M-Braves were playing.
    How'd Thurman look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Great job by Viz again tonight, he's been very good since coming back up after his suspension. If he continues this he should close for us next year IMO.
    The back end of the bullpen could be very interesting next year. Viz will be back, but there is a possibility that Folty will eventually find his way to the pen. I also think Tyrell Jenkins's future may be as a 8th inning guy at the back end of the bullpen. Chris Withrow and Paco Rodriguez are other back end options. Matt Marksberry could end up being a LOOGY. Shae Simmons will be back as well. The pen could very well go from a tremendous weakness to a potential strength in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    How'd Thurman look?
    Just posted thoughts about him and other observations in the minor league thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    The back end of the bullpen could be very interesting next year. Viz will be back, but there is a possibility that Folty will eventually find his way to the pen. I also think Tyrell Jenkins's future may be as a 8th inning guy at the back end of the bullpen. Chris Withrow and Paco Rodriguez are other back end options. Matt Marksberry could end up being a LOOGY. Shae Simmons will be back as well. The pen could very well go from a tremendous weakness to a potential strength in 2016.
    I actually feel better about our bullpen next year than I do about our starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I actually feel better about our bullpen next year than I do about our starters.
    A lot will depend upon Manny Banuelos's health. I figure the starting rotation will be Shelby, Julio, Matthew, Manny, and Williams right now with Folty having a chance to prove he deserves a spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I actually feel better about our bullpen next year than I do about our starters.
    You have to explain this one to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    You have to explain this one to me.
    Vizcaino and Simmons are gonna be solid back end guys. Withrow has a career (2 years) era of 2.73. Rodriguez has a career (4 years) era of 2.53. That's 4 solid guys. Marksberry, maybe detwiler, mckirahan, and perhaps folty or banuelos can round out what could be a solid bullpen.

    Starting staff...

    Like miller and Teheran at the top. After that we've got a lot of question marks IMO. I do think Perez, wisler, banuelos, folty, and Jenkins have potential, but hardly locks right now

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    Every starter in the minors is a potential candidate for the major league pen. As a matter of fact, most major league relievers were starters in the minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Hopefully tonight and his recent good games will start to bring back trade interest in him. I think it's just a matter of time till he's dealt as long as a team will take his contract. So it would be best for him to do well enough to get us back a better return than just salary relief.
    I was mainly talking about another one of thethe's love affairs with a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    You have to explain this one to me.
    It shouldn't be a surprise at this point since our bullpen is projected to be much better next year and our rotation weaker after trading Wood. Plus as nsacpi notes a lot of the starters in the minors are bullpen options too (and we do have some good ones to choose from). Further, I would actually have concerns about our rotation next year unless we at least add someone like a Kazmir to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    You have to explain this one to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Vizcaino and Simmons are gonna be solid back end guys. Withrow has a career (2 years) era of 2.73. Rodriguez has a career (4 years) era of 2.53. That's 4 solid guys. Marksberry, maybe detwiler, mckirahan, and perhaps folty or banuelos can round out what could be a solid bullpen.

    Starting staff...

    Like miller and Teheran at the top. After that we've got a lot of question marks IMO. I do think Perez, wisler, banuelos, folty, and Jenkins have potential, but hardly locks right now
    Isn't funny how we forget guys like Fried, Winkler, Withrow, and how they might fit into the mix. Be warned: by mid-2017, Allard might be pounding on a door as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Isn't funny how we forget guys like Fried, Winkler, Withrow, and how they might fit into the mix. Be warned: by mid-2017, Allard might be pounding on a door as well.
    Yeah, I said I felt better about our bullpen than our starters next season. I think we'll have a very good starting rotation, but it might take till '17

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yeah, I said I felt better about our bullpen than our starters next season. I think we'll have a very good starting rotation, but it might take till '17
    Looking at what we currently have at the major league level and upper minors, I'm comfortable with Miller, Teheran and Wisler in the rotation. I think we will have to go out and get two starters from outside the system. Maybe there will be a pleasant surprise or two from the guys who have pitched in the majors, AAA and AA this year. But for them to become a reliable major league starting pitcher by 2017 would take a positive surprise (their developing into something better than their current most likely projection). And we have to cross our fingers regarding injury/regression from Miller, Teheran and Wisler.

    The good news though is there is a glut of starting pitching on this year's FA market. With some patience we can get one or two bargains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Looking at what we currently have at the major league level and upper minors, I'm comfortable with Miller, Teheran and Wisler in the rotation. I think we will have to go out and get two starters from outside the system. Maybe there will be a pleasant surprise or two from the guys who have pitched in the majors, AAA and AA this year. But for them to become a reliable major league starting pitcher by 2017 would take a positive surprise (their developing into something better than their current most likely projection). And we have to cross our fingers regarding injury/regression from Miller, Teheran and Wisler.

    The good news though is there is a glut of starting pitching on this year's FA market. With some patience we can get one or two bargains.
    I'm curious if we keep minor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I'm curious if we keep minor.
    He would make something close to the 5.6M he is making this year if offered arbitration. I would offer it to him. It is like a one year deal with an option. The price is not bad in today's market. Of course, the team has a lot more information about the prognosis for his surgically-repaired shoulder. But if it is favorable, it makes sense to keep him.

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