Yet Another Mass Shooting

[57Brave]

Somebody work through this for me - is there a loophole or not? Link

Have those representing you in Congress put forward bills / proposals
Or is your "team" nothing more than a 3 AM dorm floor with cold pizza discussion group ?

One of the things coming out of the Speakership ker-fluffle is those that represent your professed point of view have no answers and unwilling to compromise with those that put forward proposals. Feeling it their responsibility to block and find reasons nothing works and contribute nothing toward solutions.
That, is not me saying that - that is what other than the 40 TBagg reps say. Starting with Boehner

If there is a loop hole stand up and show it and put forward a counter bill to Senators Chuck Schumer and Debbie Stabenow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Domenech

[BedellBrave]

So is there a loop hole or not? I'm asking. It's all I'm doing.

[57Brave]

"My thoughts are prayers are with the families," of the victims, Arizona Senator John McCain (R) said in a statement provided to ABC 15.++

How's about your ****ing vote !

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0082030a1f581

[57Brave]

So is there a loop hole or not? I'm asking. It's all I'm doing.

You never just ask

[BedellBrave]

The article I link to says:

"1) The ‘Gun Show Loophole’ Allows Anyone, Even Criminals, To Get Guns

In reality, the so-called “gun show loophole” is a myth. It does not exist. There is no loophole in federal law that specifically exempts gun show transactions from any other laws normally applied to gun sales. Not one.

If you purchase a firearm from a federal firearms licensee (FFL) regardless of the location of the transaction — a gun store, a gun show, a gun dealer’s car trunk, etc. — that FFL must confirm that you are legally allowed to purchase that gun. That means the FFL must either run a background check on you via the federal NICS database, or confirm that you have passed a background check by examining your state-issued concealed carry permit or your government-issued purchase permit. There are zero exceptions to this federal requirement.

If an individual purchases a gun across state lines — from an individual or FFL which resides in a different state than the buyer — the buyer must undergo a background check, and the sale must be processed by an FFL in the buyer’s home state.

What does exist, however, is a federal exemption for sales between two private, non-FFL residents of the same state, regardless of whether that transaction happens at a gun show or not. The identity of the parties involved in the transaction, not the venue of the sale, is what matters under federal law. This federal exemption makes perfect sense: there’s no federal nexus for a purely private transaction between two private individuals who reside in the same state. Many states, including Oregon, Colorado, and Illinois, have enacted universal background checks in order to eliminate the exemption for same-state private firearms transactions.

Federal universal background checks may or may not be a wise idea — the U.S. Senate in 2013 explicitly refused to enact them — but referring to the federal exemption for private, same-state sales as a “gun show loophole” is misleading and factually inaccurate."


So, if that's correct then the Schumer and Stabenow stuff is just more posturing that doesn't do anything. Aren't we interested in actually doing things that help? Which again, if the above is true, then it would seem that we need to be discussing the universal background checks for private transactions. Which then leads me to the question I asked before - how would those work?

I'm not opposed to action, I just want action that helps and isn't just bluster.

[sturg33]

the other one is from Trevor Noah talking about imagining what it would be like if people that say "all life matters and we need to do whatever it takes to save even one life" projected that same energy to gun deaths in this country

I find it interesting you used different wording here... earlier you said...

Trevor Noah: Imagine if Repubs used their ‘pro-life passion’ against the NRA and not Planned Parenthood

I can't for the life of me figure out how the NRA came up!

[57Brave]

The article I link to says:

So, if that's correct
.

Judging from the source of your link and the accuracy of links you've posted the past month or so you pose a good question. "...if that's correct ..."

[Hawk]

Judging from the source of your link and the accuracy of links you've posted the past month or so you pose a good question. "...if that's correct ..."

LOL ... pot calling the kettle black!

[BedellBrave]

Further info on the "loop hole" with actual applicable statues. Link


Again, it seems that the "loop hole" talk is just pandering to their base and wouldn't actually do anything. Just cut to the chase:

Make universal background checks on in-state private transactions mandatory (if there's anyway to realistically implement and enforce).

[BedellBrave]

Judging from the source of your link and the accuracy of links you've posted the past month or so you pose a good question. "...if that's correct ..."

It's a good stance to take. I'd suggest that you try it from time to time.

[57Brave]

you didn't read the FBI report on Charleston outlining the "loophole" the Senators address.
It is posted above.

Or did you just want to show an unflattering picture of HRC.
At some point you and your "team" will have to grow up and instead of going for the cheap gotcha and doctored gimmick pictures actually come up with a policy that is amenable to the public. All of us
The Federalist huh ?

[BedellBrave]

you didn't read the FBI report on Charleston outlining the "loophole" the Senators address.
It is posted above.

Or did you just want to show an unflattering picture of HRC.
At some point you and your "team" will have to grow up and instead of going for the cheap gotcha and doctored gimmick pictures actually come up with a policy that is amenable to the public. All of us
The Federalist huh ?

Which link was that? Be happy to read through it.

If you'd prefer, I'll copy and paste just the statute language.

[57Brave]

It's a good stance to take. I'd suggest that you try it from time to time.

Please note where I have posted doctored photos, innacuarate interviews and falsified videos

[BedellBrave]

you didn't read the FBI report on Charleston outlining the "loophole" the Senators address.
It is posted above.

Or did you just want to show an unflattering picture of HRC.
At some point you and your "team" will have to grow up and instead of going for the cheap gotcha and doctored gimmick pictures actually come up with a policy that is amenable to the public. All of us
The Federalist huh ?

I found it. Sorry! I admit, I "jumped the gun." Read the "loop hole" and thought automatically of the usual "loop hole" that politicians trot out. I'm fine with only allowing sales to those with clean background checks.

[BedellBrave]

Please note where I have posted doctored photos, innacuarate interviews and falsified videos

SMH

[57Brave]

SMH

I don't know what SMH means

[BedellBrave]

I don't know what SMH means

Shaking My Head

[57Brave]

nah, not going to do it. You have had a rough enough morning
;)

[BedellBrave]

Okay,

1. Fully clean back-ground checks. I'm game.

2. Universal back-ground checks for in-state private transactions (if that can actually be implemented and enforced).

What else?

Anything on mental health matters?

[BedellBrave]