Pace Rodriguez Undergoes TJ

[nsacpi]

[bravesfanforlife88]

well cancel everything that I said about him coming back and contributing next year.

[chop2chip]

Man, Roger McDowell hurts these guys arms before they even have a chance to pitch for him.

[Julio3000]

His elbow ligament snapped itself when it heard that Paco was replacing Luis Avilan.

[clvclv]

Three threads?

[zitothebrave]

The true genius of John Hart shows. When you think we didn't get value from a trade. He goes out and gets a pitcher who needs TJ. Oh the brilliance!

[Deester11]

The true genius of John Hart shows. When you think we didn't get value from a trade. He goes out and gets a pitcher who needs TJ. Oh the brilliance!

ouch. Literally.

[cajunrevenge]

I heard he tore his UCL picking up the phone when he was called about the trade.

[clvclv]

Hate to defend Hart yet again, but many around here only read selectively. No one has noticed that both JS and Hart have given most of the credit for the groundwork on every deal to Coppy, right?

Just making sure - might be tough to jump on the Coppy bandwagon since he was a huge part of all the trades.

[SidSlid92]

And the Wood trade gets a little worse

[nsacpi]

Hate to defend Hart yet again, but many around here only read selectively. No one has noticed that both JS and Hart have given most of the credit for the groundwork on every deal to Coppy, right?

Just making sure - might be tough to jump on the Coppy bandwagon since he was a huge part of all the trades.

It is difficult with the current structure to determine who gets blame/credit for what. I will simply note that Hart and Schuerholz are masters of small group politics.

[clvclv]

It is difficult with the current structure to determine who gets blame/credit for what. I will simply note that Hart and Schuerholz are masters of small group politics.

Agreed, but I don't believe for a minute that Coppy was left on the sidelines to watch "the masters do their work" any more than many people do.

The main point is, don't try to hang everything that goes wrong on JS or Hart and then sing Coppy's praises and give him a pass - all three were heavily involved in the rebuild on all levels. He continually said "we and us" while he was in the booth Thursday night, and I see little reason to believe otherwise - he was a strong candidate for several other GM jobs, and I'm quite sure he'd have gone elsewhere if he felt he was only going to be the "front man" for the other Johns if he stayed.

[nsacpi]

Some details from the AJC on the Paco Rodriguez situation.

Rodriguez had Tommy John elbow surgery at some point in late September and will miss the entire 2016 season. The Braves didn’t make any announcement, but general manager John Coppolella confirmed Friday that Rodriguez had the surgery and would miss all of next season.

Rodriguez, 24, was on the disabled list at the time of the trade, recovering from June surgery to remove bone chips from his pitching elbow. The Braves knew he had a partial tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in the elbow, but were confident – based on discussions with doctors – that Rodriguez would not require Tommy John surgery.

I'll just say this with respect to the above. We've made a number of trades whose wisdom turns on the ability of our doctors to assess a player's health as accurately as possible, hopefully more accurately than the teams we are trading with. The information above calls into question whether our medical staff has any sort of comparative advantage in making these assessments.

[50PoundHead]

You should at least get the throw-ins right.

[Julio3000]

Some details from the AJC on the Paco Rodriguez situation.

Rodriguez had Tommy John elbow surgery at some point in late September and will miss the entire 2016 season. The Braves didn’t make any announcement, but general manager John Coppolella confirmed Friday that Rodriguez had the surgery and would miss all of next season.

Rodriguez, 24, was on the disabled list at the time of the trade, recovering from June surgery to remove bone chips from his pitching elbow. The Braves knew he had a partial tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in the elbow, but were confident – based on discussions with doctors – that Rodriguez would not require Tommy John surgery.

I'll just say this with respect to the above. We've made a number of trades whose wisdom turns on the ability of our doctors to assess a player's health as accurately as possible, hopefully more accurately than the teams we are trading with. The information above calls into question whether our medical staff has any sort of comparative advantage in making these assessments.

[clvclv]

Some details from the AJC on the Paco Rodriguez situation.

Rodriguez had Tommy John elbow surgery at some point in late September and will miss the entire 2016 season. The Braves didn’t make any announcement, but general manager John Coppolella confirmed Friday that Rodriguez had the surgery and would miss all of next season.

Rodriguez, 24, was on the disabled list at the time of the trade, recovering from June surgery to remove bone chips from his pitching elbow. The Braves knew he had a partial tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in the elbow, but were confident – based on discussions with doctors – that Rodriguez would not require Tommy John surgery.

I'll just say this with respect to the above. We've made a number of trades whose wisdom turns on the ability of our doctors to assess a player's health as accurately as possible, hopefully more accurately than the teams we are trading with. The information above calls into question whether our medical staff has any sort of comparative advantage in making these assessments.

Absolutely no reason for anyone to debate that statement on any level IMO.

While I'd think it fair to expect upper-level management to be much more versed in the understanding of injuries and their risks than the rest of us when making decisions about extensions, trades, and signings, they're still not "experts". If they knew as much as the doctors advising them do my guess is that they'd be better served actually being doctors. Our medical staff deals with upper management on a daily basis, and speaks in ways that they're accustomed to. While it's imperative that every organization has a staff in place, I've always felt that they should also consult someone other than their staff that has nothing to do with the organization (or the player) personally. If they'd like to run those second opinions by the team's staff for clarification that they can understand better that's fine, but I have wondered myself whether the Braves actually do.

[chipchildress]