Star Wars Discussion Thread (Spoilers Inside)

[Krgrecw]

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That’s why I could never like The Force Awakens.

[VirginiaBrave]

Just for discussion's sake.

[zitothebrave]

I mean I don't think it will happen. Mainly because it would be a big black eye for Disney.

i personally hope they leave the Skywalker Saga, go well into the past or future where people like Luke are legends or not born yet. It's an easier place to play around in.

I do think heavy retcons will happen. But they wouldn't really be necessary if you just fast forward or rewind and play in the universe where Lucas never played, where people have no expectations. It's one of the reasons why I love the Last Jedi, it touches all kinds of new things that didn't exist in Star Wars but were logical next steps. Of course Snoke's ship would be beyond amazing and better than anything we've seen before. Seeing Kylo Ren's tie fighter being something a little more special is great. Seeing that the Raddus is an improvement over old rebellion ship is logical. It's sad that we're still dealing with A and X wings, but we got a new bomber, Gone were the simple relatively ineffective YWings, and replaced them with a high payload bomber, as the Rebellion in the latter parts of the war were winning and needed to change strategies. Oh yeah, and of course the first order would have a bigger badder Star Destroyer in the Dreadnaught. And of course they would improve on the AT-AT. All logical movments, that JJ never did ****all with. Instead we get, wait for it, Starkiller Base, new troop transports, tie fighters, and original Star destroyers, with Deathstar lasers. WOOOOOO

[VirginiaBrave]

I don't know. This much I do know. I am not one to get super hung up on spoilers but I started following him in the fall of last year well before the TLJ release date. By November he had posted a vid review that was shot for shot a review of what we got so that was good enough for me to at least pay attention to. He also says there is a Lucas/JJ cut that exists whether we ever see it or not. I don't see the OT or the PT for that matter ever being redone at all other than visual touch-ups. I think that was a Lucas condition of sale.

[zitothebrave]

I do mean to be a pedant, if you started following him fall of last year it would have been before RoS release. It would have had to have been fall of 2017 for TLJ.

I mean I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility to change the sequels, but I don't think it's likely. At least not soon. For better or worse they exist. What Disney should do is give Filoni all the money to make a Clone Wars type of show to tie in the gaps of all the films. The best part of the prequels is the Clone Wars TV show. And it made Anakin's fall believable, something that wasn't achieved in the Prequel Films. It also fleshed out all kinds of cool concepts.

[VirginiaBrave]

My bad. I meant The Rise of Skywalker. He was shot for shot on.

[zitothebrave]

My bad. I meant The Rise of Skywalker. He was shot for shot on.

Fair enough. I just assumed you followed for longer haha.

Unrelated, I forgot that Goransson did the score for the Mandalorian. Homeboy is legit insanely talented.

For those who don't know him in other context, he did Black Panther, he's doing Tenet, he did the Creed films, but he also is superwell known for working with Donald GLover, aka, Childish Gambino. He's so next level talented he pisses me off. Cause he can do it all. He can play, compose, everything. He's so talented.

[striker42]

While I would LOVE the last trilogy to be consigned to Legends status and removed from the canon, it wont happen if for no other reason than appearances. You're never going to see a studio admit they screwed up on that level.

Honestly, I think the best we can hope for is that Kennedy gets completely ousted from Lucasfilm and Favreau is handed the reins entirely. We have to remember that it was Kennedy who was in charge during this last trilogy. She allowed the disjointed back and forth between Rian Johnson and Abrams. She bears a lot of the responsibility for dividing the fanbase.

Speaking of dividing the fanbase, I'm tired of people accusing anyone who didn't like the recent trilogy (and especially those that loathed the last Jedi) as "toxic fans". If I go into a restaurant, get served a steaming dog turd, and I complain about it, am I a toxic customer? Of course not. Why then is anyone who Disney is trying to sell Star Wars to considered toxic when they think the Star Wars movies they get are complete crap.

It's interesting that people defending Johnson and Abrams were complaining about how toxic fans have ruined it and how there will never be anything Star Wars again that's not divisive. Then Favreau strolls in and drops Baby Yoda. Universal praise. If you hire people that actually understand the universe and are fans of it, you get a much better product than the crap that has largely been produced since Disney took over.

[zitothebrave]

While I would LOVE the last trilogy to be consigned to Legends status and removed from the canon, it wont happen if for no other reason than appearances. You're never going to see a studio admit they screwed up on that level.

Honestly, I think the best we can hope for is that Kennedy gets completely ousted from Lucasfilm and Favreau is handed the reins entirely. We have to remember that it was Kennedy who was in charge during this last trilogy. She allowed the disjointed back and forth between Rian Johnson and Abrams. She bears a lot of the responsibility for dividing the fanbase.

Speaking of dividing the fanbase, I'm tired of people accusing anyone who didn't like the recent trilogy (and especially those that loathed the last Jedi) as "toxic fans". If I go into a restaurant, get served a steaming dog turd, and I complain about it, am I a toxic customer? Of course not. Why then is anyone who Disney is trying to sell Star Wars to considered toxic when they think the Star Wars movies they get are complete crap.

It's interesting that people defending Johnson and Abrams were complaining about how toxic fans have ruined it and how there will never be anything Star Wars again that's not divisive. Then Favreau strolls in and drops Baby Yoda. Universal praise. If you hire people that actually understand the universe and are fans of it, you get a much better product than the crap that has largely been produced since Disney took over.

First things first. Art isn't subjectively good or bad. It's art. Films at their core are art. You may not like it, that's fine, but riding it is toxic.

Here's the reality, most people weren't gonna like the new Star Wars trilogy. Most people have matured and formed their Star Wars bond and any changes are bad. It happened 20 years ago with the Prequels, and now the prequel kids are joining the OT people in hating the sequels. That's why it seems strong that the hate is there.

What's toxic is that Disney and Lucasfilm reacted to a minority of fans freaking out. Not trusting the direction of the forward movement and instead moved backwards. If they wanted a fanservice trilogy, they should have written it.

I'm indifferent on Kennedy. She's been behind some great moves and some bad moves. But I do believe that Disney deserves a healthy amount of that blame as it seems like their goal was to recoup their purchase of Lucasfilm ASAP.

I find it ironic that so many people like the Mandalorian but don't like the sequels because lots of elements mirror each other. I remember people being pissed off to no end that Rey could use force powers with no training, but The Child can force Telekinesis, heal and choke. People railed on Rian Johnson for subplots that went "nowhere" but many episodes of the mandalorian have subplots that don't serve much.

Why the Mandalorian is good is it's quality writing and direction. Every person involved is quality. And it's why the Last Jedi is good. Rian Johnson has so much quality packed into a short bit that you miss most of it. Like Favreau, he drew references from Lucas's references, including Kurosawa, and old hollywood, and westerns. Johnson also sneaks in all kinds of references like to the Four Sages of Dwartii, Mustafar, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One, prequels, ideas Lucas had but never put into films (laser sword being mentioned for the first time since Episode I even though it was the original name for Light Saber, the only non-prequel to say Darth Sidious, etc.) a beautiful little "Han Says Hi" on the bomb in the opening sequence, there's so many fine details in it.

And honestly, if all they didn't do was bring Palpatine back in Episode 9, I would have been happier. I could deal with her being a child of Palpatine, but the finale where she has to defeat the Sith and Palpatine ****s all over the Prophecy of the Chosen One that we were told over 3 films and 100+ episodes of the Clone Wars.

[striker42]

First things first. Art isn't subjectively good or bad. It's art. Films at their core are art. You may not like it, that's fine, but riding it is toxic.

Here's the reality, most people weren't gonna like the new Star Wars trilogy. Most people have matured and formed their Star Wars bond and any changes are bad. It happened 20 years ago with the Prequels, and now the prequel kids are joining the OT people in hating the sequels. That's why it seems strong that the hate is there.

What's toxic is that Disney and Lucasfilm reacted to a minority of fans freaking out. Not trusting the direction of the forward movement and instead moved backwards. If they wanted a fanservice trilogy, they should have written it.

I'm indifferent on Kennedy. She's been behind some great moves and some bad moves. But I do believe that Disney deserves a healthy amount of that blame as it seems like their goal was to recoup their purchase of Lucasfilm ASAP.

I find it ironic that so many people like the Mandalorian but don't like the sequels because lots of elements mirror each other. I remember people being pissed off to no end that Rey could use force powers with no training, but The Child can force Telekinesis, heal and choke. People railed on Rian Johnson for subplots that went "nowhere" but many episodes of the mandalorian have subplots that don't serve much.

Why the Mandalorian is good is it's quality writing and direction. Every person involved is quality. And it's why the Last Jedi is good. Rian Johnson has so much quality packed into a short bit that you miss most of it. Like Favreau, he drew references from Lucas's references, including Kurosawa, and old hollywood, and westerns. Johnson also sneaks in all kinds of references like to the Four Sages of Dwartii, Mustafar, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One, prequels, ideas Lucas had but never put into films (laser sword being mentioned for the first time since Episode I even though it was the original name for Light Saber, the only non-prequel to say Darth Sidious, etc.) a beautiful little "Han Says Hi" on the bomb in the opening sequence, there's so many fine details in it.

And honestly, if all they didn't do was bring Palpatine back in Episode 9, I would have been happier. I could deal with her being a child of Palpatine, but the finale where she has to defeat the Sith and Palpatine ****s all over the Prophecy of the Chosen One that we were told over 3 films and 100+ episodes of the Clone Wars.

Star Wars isn't art at this point. It's a commercial product sold to the masses. If I don't like the product they're trying to sell me I can criticize it all I want. It's not toxic, it's capitalism. Attacking the actors involved might be toxic. Criticizing Rian Johnson for making a bad movie or Kennedy for inept handling of the trilogy isn't.

Oddly I had no problem with Rey's ability to use the force. Someone who has gotten into the universe as deep as I have understands the importance of balance in the Force. With the rising power of the Dark Side and little to balance it on the light, the force awoke in Rey. That felt like it belonged more than anything else. I was less thrilled with her lightsaber ability as the use of a lightsaber is largely trained (there are forms and such) but have no problem with intuitive force use.

The Mandalorian is long form story telling. It can have subplots that stretch out over multiple seasons or whose purpose isn't fully known yet. A move has to be much tighter. Rian Johnson wasted so much time in that movie. You get to the end and feel like the story barely moved.

The Mandalorian is good not only because of the excellent people involved, but because the show was run by someone who has the ability of getting the feel of something right. People forget Favreau kicked off the MCU with Iron Man. He understood the tone he needed to strike, the mixture of comedy and action. He achieved it perfectly and every movie since has used his formula. He nailed it on Mandalorian again. In spite of it being essentially a space western, it still felt like Star Wars in a way that hasn't happened since Return of the Jedi.

I honestly don't know what Last Jedi was but it wasn't a Star Wars movie. Honestly none of the new trilogy feel like Star Wars movies. It's like they're set in a different universe that just happen to have familiar faces and item in them.

[zitothebrave]

Star Wars isn't art at this point. It's a commercial product sold to the masses. If I don't like the product they're trying to sell me I can criticize it all I want. It's not toxic, it's capitalism. Attacking the actors involved might be toxic. Criticizing Rian Johnson for making a bad movie or Kennedy for inept handling of the trilogy isn't.

Oddly I had no problem with Rey's ability to use the force. Someone who has gotten into the universe as deep as I have understands the importance of balance in the Force. With the rising power of the Dark Side and little to balance it on the light, the force awoke in Rey. That felt like it belonged more than anything else. I was less thrilled with her lightsaber ability as the use of a lightsaber is largely trained (there are forms and such) but have no problem with intuitive force use.

The Mandalorian is long form story telling. It can have subplots that stretch out over multiple seasons or whose purpose isn't fully known yet. A move has to be much tighter. Rian Johnson wasted so much time in that movie. You get to the end and feel like the story barely moved.

The Mandalorian is good not only because of the excellent people involved, but because the show was run by someone who has the ability of getting the feel of something right. People forget Favreau kicked off the MCU with Iron Man. He understood the tone he needed to strike, the mixture of comedy and action. He achieved it perfectly and every movie since has used his formula. He nailed it on Mandalorian again. In spite of it being essentially a space western, it still felt like Star Wars in a way that hasn't happened since Return of the Jedi.

I honestly don't know what Last Jedi was but it wasn't a Star Wars movie. Honestly none of the new trilogy feel like Star Wars movies. It's like they're set in a different universe that just happen to have familiar faces and item in them.

Just because art is consumed doesn't mean it isn't art. Ignoring it's contribution as art is silly.

Why wouldn't she be able to wield a lightsaber? We witnessed her being skilled at combat with a martial weapon when she fought off those 2 robbers with her staff despite them having the upper hand. It was established early on. And as I"ve said probably a half dozen times, other people in canon have held their own in combat against people who wanted to kill them or at the very least not recruit them, like when Pre Vizsla fought and held his own against Maul or when Cad Bane fought against Obi Wan.

You're right, it's a different situation. But from it's 8 episodes what real story was told? There's a child in pursuit by elements of the Empire, the bounty hunter saves him/her and continues to protect him/her. And that's the crux of the story. it doesn't tell much. But it works because it is a visual feast. Rian Johnson did what he needed to do as the middle film director. Shuttle the movie along. What really happened in Empire? Like from a story point. Luke receives training, Han and Leia run from the Empire for days only for Han to be caught on cloud city, Luke confronts Vader. That's the story. It's super short on plot. Because films generally are. People expected them to cram War and Peace into a 2 hour film. That's not gonna happen. They wanted to learn who Rey's Parents were, who Snoke was and how he came to power. They wanted to see every possible training Luke could offer, they wanted to see the Knights of Ren battle Luke all at once, and could pick a number of other crazy fan theories. Johnson worked on doing what ESB did. Developing the established characters. He stripped down Poe from a cocky pilot to a leader, Rey from someone obsessed with her past to someone who's clear about her future, Finn from someone who only cared about escaping the first order and Rey to a character who could be the Leia or Han of the new generation as a leader of the rebellion, and Kylo Ren from discount Darth Vader to being the truest form of Darth Vader, he ruled the Galaxy. He set up the finale to work forward with a whole new world.

Favreau is a talented director. But acting like he was key with the MCU is silly. Feige was the one who pushed the MCU and developed it and kept the story straight.

Last Jedi is Star Wars. The reason they don't "feel" like Star Wars is because they aren't your first.

[striker42]

Just because art is consumed doesn't mean it isn't art. Ignoring it's contribution as art is silly.

Why wouldn't she be able to wield a lightsaber? We witnessed her being skilled at combat with a martial weapon when she fought off those 2 robbers with her staff despite them having the upper hand. It was established early on. And as I"ve said probably a half dozen times, other people in canon have held their own in combat against people who wanted to kill them or at the very least not recruit them, like when Pre Vizsla fought and held his own against Maul or when Cad Bane fought against Obi Wan.

You're right, it's a different situation. But from it's 8 episodes what real story was told? There's a child in pursuit by elements of the Empire, the bounty hunter saves him/her and continues to protect him/her. And that's the crux of the story. it doesn't tell much. But it works because it is a visual feast. Rian Johnson did what he needed to do as the middle film director. Shuttle the movie along. What really happened in Empire? Like from a story point. Luke receives training, Han and Leia run from the Empire for days only for Han to be caught on cloud city, Luke confronts Vader. That's the story. It's super short on plot. Because films generally are. People expected them to cram War and Peace into a 2 hour film. That's not gonna happen. They wanted to learn who Rey's Parents were, who Snoke was and how he came to power. They wanted to see every possible training Luke could offer, they wanted to see the Knights of Ren battle Luke all at once, and could pick a number of other crazy fan theories. Johnson worked on doing what ESB did. Developing the established characters. He stripped down Poe from a cocky pilot to a leader, Rey from someone obsessed with her past to someone who's clear about her future, Finn from someone who only cared about escaping the first order and Rey to a character who could be the Leia or Han of the new generation as a leader of the rebellion, and Kylo Ren from discount Darth Vader to being the truest form of Darth Vader, he ruled the Galaxy. He set up the finale to work forward with a whole new world.

Favreau is a talented director. But acting like he was key with the MCU is silly. Feige was the one who pushed the MCU and developed it and kept the story straight.

Last Jedi is Star Wars. The reason they don't "feel" like Star Wars is because they aren't your first.

The primary purpose of Star Wars isn't to make an artistic statement, it's to sell itself to people. If someone is trying to sell me something, me proclaiming I don't like it is perfectly fine. The fact that the label of art is applied to it doesn't change that. Make an art house film and show it at festivals if you want it to be treated as art. If you make a film to be a product sold to people, don't be surprised when it's treated as a product.

I've actually always had issue with Cad Bane and Pre Vizsla holding their own in fights with lightsabers against force users. The force user would know what's about to happen and pretty much immediately kill the non-force user. That aside, Rey being proficient with a staff doesn't mean she'd be proficient with a lightsaber. The force would give her an edge, especially in fights against non-force users. However, fighting someone like Kylo would be more about skill with a lightsaber and Kylo had WAAAAAYYY more training and experience.

Mandalorian tells lots of individual stories in the individual episodes, it world builds, and it sets up story lines that will run over the course of the show. It did everything a first season should do. You're entertained in every episode while slowly building the mythology.

I could go on at length about the problems Last Jedi had not just as a Star Wars movie but as a form of storytelling. From the third of the movie dedicated to Finn and Rose's completely pointless trek to the fact that Johnson took jabs at his audience.

And the "character development" you talk about is totally unfulfilling and contrived. Characters consistently make baffling choices and change in ways that make no sense.

If the MCU was the automobile industry, Favreau would be Karl Benz and Feige is Henry Ford. Favreau invented the marvel movie, Feige mastered reproducing it.

Last Jedi doesn't feel like Star Wars. The prequels felt like Star Wars. They had horrible problems in writing, directing, and acting but they captured the world. Clone Wars feels like Star Wars and is actually exceptional. Last Jedi feels like someone trying to make a film school project using Star Wars characters.

[Krgrecw]

While I would LOVE the last trilogy to be consigned to Legends status and removed from the canon, it wont happen if for no other reason than appearances. You're never going to see a studio admit they screwed up on that level.

Honestly, I think the best we can hope for is that Kennedy gets completely ousted from Lucasfilm and Favreau is handed the reins entirely. We have to remember that it was Kennedy who was in charge during this last trilogy. She allowed the disjointed back and forth between Rian Johnson and Abrams. She bears a lot of the responsibility for dividing the fanbase.

Speaking of dividing the fanbase, I'm tired of people accusing anyone who didn't like the recent trilogy (and especially those that loathed the last Jedi) as "toxic fans". If I go into a restaurant, get served a steaming dog turd, and I complain about it, am I a toxic customer? Of course not. Why then is anyone who Disney is trying to sell Star Wars to considered toxic when they think the Star Wars movies they get are complete crap.

It's interesting that people defending Johnson and Abrams were complaining about how toxic fans have ruined it and how there will never be anything Star Wars again that's not divisive. Then Favreau strolls in and drops Baby Yoda. Universal praise. If you hire people that actually understand the universe and are fans of it, you get a much better product than the crap that has largely been produced since Disney took over.

You’re a smart guy. Kennedy answered to others in the company. She didn’t have final say. You can’t lay the blame on her.

[striker42]

You’re a smart guy. Kennedy answered to others in the company. She didn’t have final say. You can’t lay the blame on her.

Feige answers to others in Disney. However his steady hand has been evident in the MCU. Kennedy was supposed to be the Feige of Lucasfilm yet Star Wars has been a mess.

You have to put a ton of the blame on Kennedy. The director choices for 7-9 are squarely on her.

[zitothebrave]

Feige answers to others in Disney. However his steady hand has been evident in the MCU. Kennedy was supposed to be the Feige of Lucasfilm yet Star Wars has been a mess.

You have to put a ton of the blame on Kennedy. The director choices for 7-9 are squarely on her.

Well, she's not the Feige, that's not really fair. Feige is the CCO of Marvel Entertainment as of 2019, he's not the head of Marvel Entertainment. He was the head of Marvel Studios. Lucasfilm isn't just the Star Wars movies, that's the issue. They don't have a Star Wars guy or gal. I don't know personally how much of that is Kennedy and how much of that is Disney. We don't know. There should be a head guy or gal who's in charge of Star Wars as a producer. I was hoping Hidalgo would be that guy, but he lacks the film knowledge. I think Filloni is close to that guy, but I like him writing more as opposed to consulting. Cause you need both. I think right now Hidalgo is the closest we have as far as someone who won't take talent away.

Kennedy knows the business side, she's arguably one of the most successful producers of all time. She was hand picked by Lucas to run the company. She knows movies in a way that a lot of people don't. I think she's the right person to maintain the blockbuster level of Star Wars. I think someone else should be running the canon nature.

I still feel the sequel trilogy was a rushed attempt at a money grab, that produced one of the best Star Wars films. Lucasfilm cost disney 4 billion, they've made that back now. Even with the scare of SOlo not really making money. Now I think we get to see some really good stuff come out. Now I think we'll see Star Wars go a bit more out there. A bit more risky because now they're not operating on lost income, they're operating as a new studio.

[striker42]

Well, she's not the Feige, that's not really fair. Feige is the CCO of Marvel Entertainment as of 2019, he's not the head of Marvel Entertainment. He was the head of Marvel Studios. Lucasfilm isn't just the Star Wars movies, that's the issue. They don't have a Star Wars guy or gal. I don't know personally how much of that is Kennedy and how much of that is Disney. We don't know. There should be a head guy or gal who's in charge of Star Wars as a producer. I was hoping Hidalgo would be that guy, but he lacks the film knowledge. I think Filloni is close to that guy, but I like him writing more as opposed to consulting. Cause you need both. I think right now Hidalgo is the closest we have as far as someone who won't take talent away.

Kennedy knows the business side, she's arguably one of the most successful producers of all time. She was hand picked by Lucas to run the company. She knows movies in a way that a lot of people don't. I think she's the right person to maintain the blockbuster level of Star Wars. I think someone else should be running the canon nature.

I still feel the sequel trilogy was a rushed attempt at a money grab, that produced one of the best Star Wars films. Lucasfilm cost disney 4 billion, they've made that back now. Even with the scare of SOlo not really making money. Now I think we get to see some really good stuff come out. Now I think we'll see Star Wars go a bit more out there. A bit more risky because now they're not operating on lost income, they're operating as a new studio.

Feige has been president of Marvel Studios since 2007. Kennedy was named the President of Lucasfilm when Disney bought it in 2012. The primary goal of both Kennedy and Feige is to have their respective companies make excellent movies/tv shows. Feige has been tremendously successful, Kennedy has not.

Kennedy may not be the head of Star Wars but she's definitely the one whose job it is to make sure Star Wars says on the rails and continues to be profitable. It's not a stretch at all to say the sequel trilogy was the most important part of her career. It's a huge part of the reason Disney bought Lucasfilm. Her decisions on director hires and her inability to keep the storyline cohesive led to a dividing of a rabidly loyal fanbase.

If Disney wants to keep Kennedy on the business side of things and to leave the creative side up to Filoni and/or Favreau, fine. I don't think Kennedy needs to be allowed to make anymore decisions that might actually affect the content of Star Wars.

The sequel trilogy is the worst trilogy in Star Wars with a movie so bad (Last Jedi) that it rivals Phantom Menace. At least Phantom Menace had Darth Maul and the Dual of the Fates. Last Jedi is unwatchable.

[zitothebrave]

Feige has been president of Marvel Studios since 2007. Kennedy was named the President of Lucasfilm when Disney bought it in 2012. The primary goal of both Kennedy and Feige is to have their respective companies make excellent movies/tv shows. Feige has been tremendously successful, Kennedy has not.

Kennedy may not be the head of Star Wars but she's definitely the one whose job it is to make sure Star Wars says on the rails and continues to be profitable. It's not a stretch at all to say the sequel trilogy was the most important part of her career. It's a huge part of the reason Disney bought Lucasfilm. Her decisions on director hires and her inability to keep the storyline cohesive led to a dividing of a rabidly loyal fanbase.

If Disney wants to keep Kennedy on the business side of things and to leave the creative side up to Filoni and/or Favreau, fine. I don't think Kennedy needs to be allowed to make anymore decisions that might actually affect the content of Star Wars.

The sequel trilogy is the worst trilogy in Star Wars with a movie so bad (Last Jedi) that it rivals Phantom Menace. At least Phantom Menace had Darth Maul and the Dual of the Fates. Last Jedi is unwatchable.

Nope, Kennedy was brought in by Lucas to run the company. It's not comparable to Feige. I won't go into it.

If you think the Last Jedi si the worst Star Wars film, your opinion is wrong. And not worth debating.

Also I wouldn't call Star Wars fanbase rabidly loyal. They've shat on everything that's come out at one point or the other. I remember the initial reviews for the Clone Wars were so harsh. The Prequels being reviled, etc.

[Krgrecw]

Feige has been president of Marvel Studios since 2007. Kennedy was named the President of Lucasfilm when Disney bought it in 2012. The primary goal of both Kennedy and Feige is to have their respective companies make excellent movies/tv shows. Feige has been tremendously successful, Kennedy has not.

Kennedy may not be the head of Star Wars but she's definitely the one whose job it is to make sure Star Wars says on the rails and continues to be profitable. It's not a stretch at all to say the sequel trilogy was the most important part of her career. It's a huge part of the reason Disney bought Lucasfilm. Her decisions on director hires and her inability to keep the storyline cohesive led to a dividing of a rabidly loyal fanbase.

If Disney wants to keep Kennedy on the business side of things and to leave the creative side up to Filoni and/or Favreau, fine. I don't think Kennedy needs to be allowed to make anymore decisions that might actually affect the content of Star Wars.

The sequel trilogy is the worst trilogy in Star Wars with a movie so bad (Last Jedi) that it rivals Phantom Menace. At least Phantom Menace had Darth Maul and the Dual of the Fates. Last Jedi is unwatchable.

Kennedy was leaving after Indiana Jones 5. That was the plan all along.

[zitothebrave]

Another random gripe about Episode 9.

If Darth Sidious had the means to clone a force sensitive, why did he need Rey? What purpose did that serve in the plot?

Ignoring again, that it spits in the face of the stories that come before it (why would Snoke have Kylo execute Rey if she was part of Sidious's plan?)

****, i'm going off the rails again, need to stop talking about that **** film.

[striker42]

Another random gripe about Episode 9.

If Darth Sidious had the means to clone a force sensitive, why did he need Rey? What purpose did that serve in the plot?

Ignoring again, that it spits in the face of the stories that come before it (why would Snoke have Kylo execute Rey if she was part of Sidious's plan?)

****, i'm going off the rails again, need to stop talking about that **** film.

Because Rian Johnson blew the trilogy up. Abrams was building storylines and Johnson gutted them.

I honestly don't think there was any way to salvage episode 9 after episode 8. There was no way the trilogy was going to make coherent sense because you can't tie up two so disparate movies in one installment.

Episode 9 was an attempt by Abrams to do some fan service to try to calm things down. Unfortunately there was no way an episode 9 could have been made that would have satisfied even a majority of Star Wars fans.

There was no unifying hand with the trilogy, nothing keeping the mythology in check. That was a MASSIVE failure by Lucasfilm.