Star Wars Discussion Thread (Spoilers Inside)

[sturg33]

Not a perfect film, but I liked it a lot better than Rogue One, as far as "different directions" go. I also personally enjoyed that the capitalist military-industrial-decadence cycle is what keeps this destructive, parallel, mutually-defeating cycle between "light" and "dark" going strong.

I don't care that Snoke died... but we still don't know anything about him or how he came to power... Just such a waste. I don't feel like addressing all of your answers at the moment but will get to it one day

[thewupk]

I don't care that Snoke died... but we still don't know anything about him or how he came to power... Just such a waste. I don't feel like addressing all of your answers at the moment but will get to it one day

I think a lot of is looking at it through different lenses. We knew barely anything about the Emperor until the prequels were made.

As far as Luke not being there in person compared to his astral projection. Would it have really made a difference? He made his move to allow the resistance to escape just like Obiwan made his to allow Luke and the gang get off the Deathstar. I think it showed just how stronger in the force he was to be able to project himself like that.

Kylo actually did what he set out to do. He ended what Vader had started. Vader was unable to usurp the Emperor and rule the galaxy. Kylo has now done this by killing Snoke. People expected Snoke to be the big bad and have Rey or Luke redeem Kylo and possibly have them team up to take down Snoke in 9. Only because that's essentially what happened in the OT.

[zitothebrave]

Here are my issues... in no particular order

1. Why waste Snoke like this? You spent an entire movie building him up, then another full scene showcasing his power, and then you kill him without us learning a single thing about him? I'm OK with him dying, but who the hell was he? And why was he so easily killed?

Did they spend a whole movie building him up? And I'm tired of the "we know nothing about Snoke" ****. Watch the OT, what do you know about the Emperor?

2. Rey's backstory is no longer interesting. Why do I even care about her now?

Why do you no longer care? Why does a backstory matter? What's Han's backstory?

3. Luke came across as a mopey baby and a really bad teacher

Luke was pretty mopey, he lost everything. Was he a bad teacher? I mean a reluctant teacher, but similar to Yoda a reluctant teacher who taught in the end.

4. Why is Finn still a thing? He is pointless. He's just annoying and provides no value to the plot

Well Finn is any number of things, but reality is he's pretty much the avatar for the audience to live through. Think about it, when you watch TFA, it's very likely you're starting the film from Finn's perspective as a ST.

5. Why didn't the new admiral tell Poe her plan? It would have saved us a massive waste of time from needing to go on the casino planet

Why did the new admiral need to tell Poe her plan? Why couldn't Poe have just done as he was told and not attempted to be a white knight?

6. Leia... floating in space? Uhh... OK. That was painful to watch. And if she could do that so easily... why couldn't Palpatine simply float back up after Vader threw him off the ledge?

We'll see what happens, but I'm assuming she was Gandalf'd back to life.

7. What was the point of the TFA? They spent the whole movie having a resistance take out a mega-dumb planet weapon... and here we are back and it didn't appear to make a dent in the first order at all. At what point do we care what the good guys are doing if we always know the bad guys will be uber powerful in the next film

You just described ANH and Empire, you realize that right?

8. What's the point of Captain Phasma?

Sequels Boba Fett

9. Luke being a hologram rather than in person was less cool for me. Why not simply go and sacrifice yourself like Obi-Wan did?

"Do you think this is gonna end with me standing down the first order with a laser sword" "This is not gonna end how you think it will" You missed this one by a million miles.

10. Why didn't the good guys use light-speeding into a star destroyer a million times before? I don't buy it

Few logical guesses. First this wasn't a Star Destroyer, this was Snoke's flag ship. It was much larger. I'm assuming the main reason no one tried to do this was difficulty. I would imagine trying this normally would result in a ton of misses. Als oif you bomb a destroyer with your capital ship that's a kin to swapping rooks in Chess, doesn't really do any good for either side. Except in this instance the other side can quickly manufacture more rooks. If you attempt with with an XWing, it would require a perfect shot, and you're losing one of a handful of pilots. If we look at history a big reason the Japanese started kamikaze bombing was they lost so many skilled pilots that they were more or less forced into this tactic.

11. Kylo Ren is the only interesting character left... and sadly he's way less cool than Vader ever was

Kylo Ren is probably the most interesting character in a Star Wars film period. Adam Driver is amazing.

12. I wish they had Kylo and Rey team up, and gone in that direction. Now, we're left with yet another Vader vs Luke story - with substantially less interesting characters

Disagree. Rey and Ren are both far more deep characters. All depth to Luke and Vader was done in other media.

I felt the movie had promise and could have gone in a cool direction. But it didn't, sadly. Oh well - I'll see the next one, but this was a letdown.

I think a lot of this film is more mature and more cerebral than Star Wars usually is.

[The Chosen One]

You can't reallly compare the Emperor and Snoke. Emperor is mentioned very briefly in A New Hope. By the time of ESB and ROTJ he's more of a plot device. The main relationship was always Luke and Vader.

Snoke was given important dialogue and scenes in Force Awakens. Everywhere from his holograms talking to Kylo and Hux about important matters to Leia outright blaming Snoke on Ben's turn. He was a wasted villain plain and simple. Serkis commanded every scene he was in. Voice was a presence itself. People justifying his lack of development and wasted death are some of the same ones trying to say TLJ is the new Empire.

[The Chosen One]

I think a lot of is looking at it through different lenses. We knew barely anything about the Emperor until the prequels were made.

As far as Luke not being there in person compared to his astral projection. Would it have really made a difference? He made his move to allow the resistance to escape just like Obiwan made his to allow Luke and the gang get off the Deathstar. I think it showed just how stronger in the force he was to be able to project himself like that.

Kylo actually did what he set out to do. He ended what Vader had started. Vader was unable to usurp the Emperor and rule the galaxy. Kylo has now done this by killing Snoke. People expected Snoke to be the big bad and have Rey or Luke redeem Kylo and possibly have them team up to take down Snoke in 9. Only because that's essentially what happened in the OT.

Curious, where does Kylo describe his "I will finish what you started" intentions to mean ruling the Galaxy? Vader was fine being the Emperor's side kick until he wanted Luke to turn. I thought it was more to do with the Sith finally cleansing the Jedi in the entire Galaxy. But then again, the entire Kylo obsession with Vader is pretty dumb. Assuming Luke told Ben what honorable things Anakin did in the final moments of his life to somewhat redeem himself, it's pretty wild to think Kylo would still be obsessed with him. But then again, I'm still of the opinion that Luke's writing was a slap in the face of what we saw in the OT. Luke was the epitome of work hard and never quit. Just really hard to accept that after willing to die to bring his Father back to the Light, he'd give up on Ben so easily. As if being his Uncle and blood had no influence or meaning. I also have a hard time accepting Luke would simply trash the entire Jedi order,values, and beliefs after it helped him guide his Father back to the Light. I also find it hard to believe Luke had not communicated to Obi-Wan or Yoda about Ben's progression to the Dark. They helped guide him in defeating the Empire, I find it hard to believe they'd simply ignore what was going on.

I wasn't expecting Snoke to be the plot device to redeem Kylo. I already said Kylo was unredeemable after what he did to Han. The point being he was essentially wasted. He was given important scenes in Force Awakens. I would have liked to have seen a bit more on Snoke before him dying like that.

[zitothebrave]

You can't reallly compare the Emperor and Snoke. Emperor is mentioned very briefly in A New Hope. By the time of ESB and ROTJ he's more of a plot device. The main relationship was always Luke and Vader.

Snoke was given important dialogue and scenes in Force Awakens. Everywhere from his holograms talking to Kylo and Hux about important matters to Leia outright blaming Snoke on Ben's turn. He was a wasted villain plain and simple. Serkis commanded every scene he was in. Voice was a presence itself. People justifying his lack of development and wasted death are some of the same ones trying to say TLJ is the new Empire.

So the difference is when the movies introduced the 2? Come on that's some weak ****.

Also no it isn't about the relationship between Luke and Vader, nothing in ANH connects them significantly.

[The Chosen One]

So the difference is when the movies introduced the 2? Come on that's some weak ****.

Also no it isn't about the relationship between Luke and Vader, nothing in ANH connects them significantly.

Luke: "How did my father die?"

Obi-Wan: "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned evil helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your Father"

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Vader kills Luke's mentor right in front of him. Yeah, none of those things connects Luke to Vader I guess. You can even see Obi-Wan hesitate for a bit before he answers Luke's question about his Father dying.


The difference is Snoke had more development in TFA than the Emperor did in ANH. He was wasted. Stop trying to defend it.

[zitothebrave]

Let me paint this broad strokes.

Apprentice of Dark kills mentor/hero of Light

Apprentice of Light goes to seek mystical master of yesteryear on a forgotten planet

Apprentice of Light leaves master to go rescue friends.

Apprentice of Dark brings Apprentice of Light to Master of Dark

Master of Dark looming over ultimate victory miscalculates the heart of his Apprentice and the Apprentice turns on the master saving the Apprentice of Light.

What movies am I talking about?

[zitothebrave]

Also that's the tiniest of connection between Luke and Vader.

[Krgrecw]

I still can’t get over how gay that scene of Leia floating through space was. Everyone I know that has seen the movie has laughed at that scene.

[jpx7]

I still can’t get over how gay that scene of Leia floating through space was. Everyone I know that has seen the movie has laughed at that scene.

Yea, it really was weird how much incongruous dude-on-dude sex action there was in that scene.

[The Chosen One]

I actually didn’t mind the Leia thing.

The physics of it makes sense to me. She used the Force in 0 gravity to push her on that direction. Felt it was a nice touch. We know she’s learned how to use the Force in some form feeling Han’s death all the way across the galaxy. I felt it was a nice enough scene to where they didn’t do too much.

[zitothebrave]

[sturg33]

I actually didn’t mind the Leia thing.

The physics of it makes sense to me. She used the Force in 0 gravity to push her on that direction. Felt it was a nice touch. We know she’s learned how to use the Force in some form feeling Han’s death all the way across the galaxy. I felt it was a nice enough scene to where they didn’t do too much.

Yet that 0 gravity wasn't there when they dropped all the bombs in the beginning of the film

[Krgrecw]

/Film has placed a spotlight on an interesting detail nestled in Star Wars Insider Magazine’s special souvenir Star Wars: The Last Jedi issue. Leading off a section placing focus on Supreme Leader Snoke (and featured in bold for additional attention-grabbing action), we’re presented with the knowledge that Snoke has trained “at least one other apprentice” other than Kylo Ren. The presentation of the news sure as sugar doesn’t feel unintentional and invites all sorts of questions of what (and who) is to come with JJ Abrams’ Episode IX.



Hmmmmmm

[The Chosen One]

The Real Reason Ben Turned To the Darkside

[sturg33]

Did they spend a whole movie building him up? And I'm tired of the "we know nothing about Snoke" ****. Watch the OT, what do you know about the Emperor?

Considering Ren told Han how wise the supreme leader was, and Han was saying how Snoke was just using him... along with the other scenes, I'd say they spent substantial capital on Snoke

Why do you no longer care? Why does a backstory matter? What's Han's backstory?

I just don't. Han isn't a super powerful force user with no training.

Luke was pretty mopey, he lost everything. Was he a bad teacher? I mean a reluctant teacher, but similar to Yoda a reluctant teacher who taught in the end.

What did Luke teach? Nothing. He basically just runs away as Rey realizes she has super power

Well Finn is any number of things, but reality is he's pretty much the avatar for the audience to live through. Think about it, when you watch TFA, it's very likely you're starting the film from Finn's perspective as a ST.

As of now his sole purpose is to add 45 min to the run time of the movie that aren't needed

Why did the new admiral need to tell Poe her plan? Why couldn't Poe have just done as he was told and not attempted to be a white knight?

Because he asked and was clearly a loose cannon. Why the hell wouldn't she tell him? Oh right - if she had, we wouldn't have been able to have the unnecessary Occupy Wall Street social justice scene

You just described ANH and Empire, you realize that right?

Yeah - a little tired of watching the same movie over and over again

Sequels Boba Fett

Just a waste of space. More potential wasted. Her claim to fame is getting beat up by a janitor

"Do you think this is gonna end with me standing down the first order with a laser sword" "This is not gonna end how you think it will" You missed this one by a million miles.

OH DARN IT I MISSED THIS BY A MILLION MILES??? Damn, guess that more of that brilliant writing.

[The Chosen One]

For another rare moment I’m agreeing with sturg.

[sturg33]

For another rare moment I’m agreeing with sturg.

It ain't so bad being right every now and then, is it?

[The Chosen One]

Technically you’re agreeing with me first since I already wrote most of that stuff on here before you arguing with zeets.