Star Wars Discussion Thread (Spoilers Inside)

[CyYoung31]

Which is comical.

What characters did you love after ANH? Vader and Han. That's about it. Luke was a whiny baby. Leia was about as one dimensional of a Mary Sue as humanly possible.

TFA introduces one of the best main protagonists in Rey. What everyone wishes Anakin in the prequels had been in Ren, a brand new to star wars trope of a defector brainwashed trooper, who just so happens to be fantastic, and a slightly different take on the cocky ace pilot. I said slightly mind you, I know Poe is still heavily drenched in Han Solo. But you care about all of these characters. When Ren nearly kills Finn, you deeply care. When you find out Poe isn't dead you care, and that's important.

How about everyone? Everyone in TFA aside from the two I mentioned are either severely underdeveloped or just there to advance plot or spout exposition.

Yeah, totally cared about Poe, the guy who spent like five minutes in the movie. Great stuff! Oh, and I of course felt a deep connection to Cpt. Phasma and her 2 scenes.

Finn should have been cool, but his character goes nowhere and his background and conflict with it isn't explored enough. Maybe in the next film.

[thewupk]

How about everyone? Everyone in TFA aside from the two I mentioned are either severely underdeveloped or just there to advance plot or spout exposition.

Yeah, totally cared about Poe, the guy who spent like five minutes in the movie. Great stuff! Oh, and I of course felt a deep connection to Cpt. Phasma and her 2 scenes.

Finn should have been cool, but his character goes nowhere and his background and conflict with it isn't explored enough. Maybe in the next film.

To be fair you don't care about Vader until Empire when he gets fleshed out more.

[The Chosen One]

To be fair you don't care about Vader until Empire when he gets fleshed out more.

I didn't care about Vader the person but I did love Vader the monster after watching ANH.

[The Chosen One]

Btw I'd say Ren was just as whiny and bad as Anakin in the prequels.

No wonder he worships Vader his mannerisms and whiny attitude are similar.

[zitothebrave]

Please, name the errors. And the writing is intentional, and has a unique charm to it. The dialogue in the other two films isn't much better. ANH is widely considered an excellent piece of filmmaking that ties many different classic genres into a cohesive, and entertaining whole. It's fantastic.

Dialogue in Empire is so much better. It's not a writing wonder, but compared to ANH it's so much better.

As far as errors. I'll not count things like why doesn't Leia have a core accent. But lets do it. People pronouncing things different. It happens in other films too (I'm looking at you Billie Dee with "HAN") But you can hear Leia and Tarkin and Leia and Luke and Obi Wan pronounce Alderaan differently. As a core planet if any of them should pronounce it differently it's Luke. Ignoring that, it's something that I don't ever recall being as big of an issue in any other film. The 2 or 3 times you see behind the curtain of the lightsaber (seeing the cord in Obi Wan's Sleeve, I believe one time they hit too hard and you can see the stick for only a second, and the dust) and I'm just scratching the surface. A quick google will bring you to sites that list the myriad of continuity errors, the number of times someone from the set or film equipment is there, etc.

[zitothebrave]

(usually thanks to a plot maguffin or deus ex machina).

Have you not watched Star Wars? The force is literally a universal MacGuffin. And Rogue One just further demonstrates that in a pivotal scene.

[thewupk]

I didn't care about Vader the person but I did love Vader the monster after watching ANH.

The only cool thing he really did in ANH was the force choke and 1 liner he gave to that dude at the start. Then you have the semi backstory that Obiwan tells Luke that he killed his father. Very cliche stuff imo. It's a fun movie that as 50 said successfully combines several classic genres into one. IMO Empire was a much better overall movie.

[zitothebrave]

Btw I'd say Ren was just as whiny and bad as Anakin in the prequels.

No wonder he worships Vader his mannerisms and whiny attitude are similar.

Ren wasn't whiny. He was petulant. There's a difference.

[thewupk]

Btw I'd say Ren was just as whiny and bad as Anakin in the prequels.

No wonder he worships Vader his mannerisms and whiny attitude are similar.

Luke was very whiny as well. It runs in the family.

[The Chosen One]

Carrie Fisher grew up learning English in London.

She said she used an accent to mock Tarkin when they're together.

[The Chosen One]

Luke was very whiny as well. It runs in the family.

But he also was more grounded than either of the two.

When he says things like "but I've learned so much already"

In ESB and ANH his arrogance is to want to help his friends.

Kylo has weird intentions of finishing Vader work whatever that was and Anakin was told a lie about saving Padme and being the most powerful Jedi ever.

[The Chosen One]

I still think if Qui-Gon was the one raising Anakin he would have turned out differently.

[zitothebrave]

Yeah, totally cared about Poe, the guy who spent like five minutes in the movie. Great stuff! Oh, and I of course felt a deep connection to Cpt. Phasma and her 2 scenes.

You cared about Poe because of the general concern and fear of Finn. Finn showed more emotion of losing Poe than Leia did watching her homeworld blow up with her adoptive parents on it.

[zitothebrave]

Carrie Fisher grew up learning English in London.

She said she used an accent to mock Tarkin when they're together.

That's fine, but as a Core World Alderaan would have a Core accent, which means Leia should have had a core accent.The Retcon was having Jimmy Smits play Organa with a high accent that wasn't purely British, but that's about it.

[zitothebrave]

But he also was more grounded than either of the two.

When he says things like "but I've learned so much already"

In ESB and ANH his arrogance is to want to help his friends.

Kylo has weird intentions of finishing Vader work whatever that was and Anakin was told a lie about saving Padme and being the most powerful Jedi ever.

Luke is virtually worthless in ANH because of his whining. Remember him complaining about not being able to do one menial task to do a different menial task? The OT was all about Luke's evolution as a character. He was whiny and petulant through most of ANH, then kind of becoming a leader in the rebellion to start Empire, before being humbled and becoming an apprentice and growing as a jedi. Then Jedi is all about him becoming the Jedi Knight he was supposed to be. He still has his concerned tendencies, but they are much more muted in Jedi.

[zitothebrave]

I still think if Qui-Gon was the one raising Anakin he would have turned out differently.

Probably, or if the Jedi COuncil didn't get so wrapped up their own ass everything would have been different.

[jpx7]

Kylo has weird intentions of finishing Vader work whatever that was and Anakin was told a lie about saving Padme and being the most powerful Jedi ever.

Isn't Vader's work, ostensibly, to purge galaxy of Jedis and then rule as the One and Only Sith Lord? Certainly that's Palpatine's legacy (though it's very questionable Anakin/Vader ever saw that as his "work").

Also, the lie was about saving Padme; but Anakin was the most powerful force-user ever (though I suppose it's fair to debate whether that's different than "most powerful Jedi ever", since the latter requires great discipline, which Anakin certainly lacked).

[The Chosen One]

Luke is virtually worthless in ANH because of his whining. Remember him complaining about not being able to do one menial task to do a different menial task? The OT was all about Luke's evolution as a character. He was whiny and petulant through most of ANH, then kind of becoming a leader in the rebellion to start Empire, before being humbled and becoming an apprentice and growing as a jedi. Then Jedi is all about him becoming the Jedi Knight he was supposed to be. He still has his concerned tendencies, but they are much more muted in Jedi.

Oh yeah, because you know destroying the Death Star was no easy thing.

And doing menial task because Uncle Owen wants him to do farm work is one thing, but after they died he was actually very motivated to learn and do things.


Kylo was a whiny AND petulant guy in TFA.
Anakin was actually much more stomachable.

[The Chosen One]

Isn't Vader's work, ostensibly, to purge galaxy of Jedis and then rule as the One and Only Sith Lord? Certainly that's Palpatine's legacy (though it's very questionable Anakin/Vader ever saw that as his "work").

Also, the lie was about saving Padme; but Anakin was the most powerful force-user ever (though I suppose it's fair to debate whether that's different than "most powerful Jedi ever", since the latter requires great discipline, which Anakin certainly lacked).

You can tell after Vader slaughters the Jedi Order and Trade Federation you see him tearing up because after that there was no turning back.

I don't think he necessarily wanted to do everything Palpatine wanted. We know Vader was Palpatine's puppet and enforcer. In III though Anakin genuinely believes that he can save Padme from her dying in his nightmares.


I was telling Wupk this, that him worshipping Vader is the dumbest thing ever in Star Wars, worse than midichlorians.

[The Chosen One]

That's fine, but as a Core World Alderaan would have a Core accent, which means Leia should have had a core accent.The Retcon was having Jimmy Smits play Organa with a high accent that wasn't purely British, but that's about it.

lol he was nowhere close having a near British accent. His accent was more highly spoken American proper English.

And his accent in Rogue One is all over the place. I'll give Smits a pass since I have always liked him as an actor.


How do we know Alderaan isn't a melting pot like America? So why would there be one particular accent. Mos Eisley was full of different accents.