Star Wars Discussion Thread (Spoilers Inside)

[The Chosen One]

You cared about Poe because of the general concern and fear of Finn. Finn showed more emotion of losing Poe than Leia did watching her homeworld blow up with her adoptive parents on it.

[zitothebrave]

How do we know Alderaan isn't a melting pot like America? So why would there be one particular accent. Mos Eisley was full of different accents.

Mos Eisley is in the outer rim. Again, the Core planets all shared a pretty distinct accent. Not all were the same, but they were similar. THey spoke what was called Galaxy Basic

[jpx7]

Mos Eisley is in the outer rim. Again, the Core planets all shared a pretty distinct accent. Not all were the same, but they were similar. THey spoke what was called Galaxy Basic

Accents are basically never consistent, ever when they try to be:

Like most fantasy television shows, Game of Thrones is largely populated by English actors speaking with English accents. This is because Americans are still unconvinced that England is a real country, and associate English speech patterns with kings and magic and sorcery and frequent stabbings.

But Game of Thrones takes its accents a step further: Its characters speak in several different English accents, and often those accents correspond to to the real-world geography of Britain. Eddard Stark, the Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, is played by Sheffield's own Sean Bean, sporting his native northern English accent. Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock and Warden of the West, is played with a posh southern accent by the great Charles Dance. And so on.

[So then:]
Why do Ned Stark's kids all have different accents?
Why do all the Baratheons have different accents?
Why does Thoros of Myr have a Westerosi accent?

[...]

"The show has dragons, who cares if the accents don't match?": Well, first of all, I care. Second of all, the cornerstone of science fiction and fantasy fandom is nitpicking. Third of all, the fact that Game of Thrones doesn't take place within our collectively agreed-upon reality doesn't release it from its responsibility to verisimilitude or the maintenance of internal consistency within its own systems.

So yea, zeets: you're that guy.

(Also: RIP Gawker, and **** Peter Thiel.)

[zitothebrave]

Accents are basically never consistent, ever when they try to be:

There's a difference between not consistent and slippage, and changing how people are supposed to talk entirely.

[zitothebrave]

You can tell after Vader slaughters the Jedi Order and Trade Federation you see him tearing up because after that there was no turning back.

I don't think he necessarily wanted to do everything Palpatine wanted. We know Vader was Palpatine's puppet and enforcer. In III though Anakin genuinely believes that he can save Padme from her dying in his nightmares.


I was telling Wupk this, that him worshipping Vader is the dumbest thing ever in Star Wars, worse than midichlorians.

Correct, Palpatine manipulated Vader by promising him th epower to save Padme. As we've learned from all forms of Canon, for most force users the more you draw from the dark side the more you succumb to it. It's not true of all force users. But it is normal. That the temptation of dark side powers makes you fall to it. Palpatine then made Vader a suit that caused him great pain, fueling his dark side power while also severely crippling him physically.

Again, you don't know what Snoke told Ben about ANakin. Most likely that he was the most powerful force user but was manipulated by the Jedi Council and Palpatine who manipulated him and limited his potential which was to bring peace to the galaxy and destroy the Sith and Jedi.

[Krgrecw]

Finally saw Rogue One. Kudos to Disney for making a movie where the heel goes over. I've always thought movies should do that.


wonder if Disney has the balls (if it were feasible) to go back and kill off leia in episode 8.

[zitothebrave]

You're assuming they didn't kill her off already.

ANyway I wonder what they will do.

[Krgrecw]

They wouldn't have had a big insurance policy on her if they didn't need her for the movies.

[thewupk]

Correct, Palpatine manipulated Vader by promising him th epower to save Padme. As we've learned from all forms of Canon, for most force users the more you draw from the dark side the more you succumb to it. It's not true of all force users. But it is normal. That the temptation of dark side powers makes you fall to it. Palpatine then made Vader a suit that caused him great pain, fueling his dark side power while also severely crippling him physically.

Again, you don't know what Snoke told Ben about ANakin. Most likely that he was the most powerful force user but was manipulated by the Jedi Council and Palpatine who manipulated him and limited his potential which was to bring peace to the galaxy and destroy the Sith and Jedi.

Pretty much. When Han tells Leia that Ben had to much Vader in him. By that statement, and seeing him lash out in Ep 7, I believe Ben is very unstable emotionally. Being unstable is prone to getting twisted just like Anakin did. We also aren't sure if Ben had any kind of force visions of the future or not the way Anakin did.

It's an interesting contrast to Vader how until the end the dark side had too much of a hold on him even if he wanted to come back. Ben fully embraces the dark side and hates trying to be pulled to the light.

[zitothebrave]

Pretty much. When Han tells Leia that Ben had to much Vader in him. By that statement, and seeing him lash out in Ep 7, I believe Ben is very unstable emotionally. Being unstable is prone to getting twisted just like Anakin did. We also aren't sure if Ben had any kind of force visions of the future or not the way Anakin did.

It's an interesting contrast to Vader how until the end the dark side had too much of a hold on him even if he wanted to come back. Ben fully embraces the dark side and hates trying to be pulled to the light.

Correct and that's probably due to Snoke's manipulation. Anakin was masterfully manipulated and the ****ty Jedi COuncil and Palpatine. If the council was ran in such a way that didn't basically force Anakin to the dark side (could list the numerous things) he wouldn't have left. He was so dedicated to what he believed the Jedi were supposed to believe.

[CyYoung31]

Have you not watched Star Wars? The force is literally a universal MacGuffin. And Rogue One just further demonstrates that in a pivotal scene.

You obviously don't know what a plot macguffin is.

[zitothebrave]

You obviously don't know what a plot macguffin is.

I don't think you do. Or you haven't thought about it enough. You can take the opinion that MacGuffins don't exist, but the force has literally been on in every OT film.

Ep 4 - the force allows luke to guide a torpedo into the death star exhaust
Ep 5 - The force allows Luke to communicate to Leia someone who's never been force trained, to save him from falling to his death
Ep 6 - The internal force in ANakin switches from Dark to Light at the moment when Palpatine is at his most vulnerable allowing for Vader to kill him. There's another one in it but it's not coming to me yet.
Ep 7 - Rey happens to come into the usage of the force in her most dire needs
Rogue One - Donnie Yen's character is strolling across a battlefield stopping the best of the best storm troopers from missing him despite all of their fire aiming at them, and when he completes his task he's gunned down immediately.

And no spoiler wraps because at this point the movie's been out long enough anyone should have seen it.

[The Chosen One]

Ep 6 - The internal force in ANakin switches from Dark to Light at the moment when Palpatine is at his most vulnerable allowing for Vader to kill him. There's another one in it but it's not coming to me yet.
And no spoiler wraps because at this point the movie's been out long enough anyone should have seen it.

That's a little ridiculous. Of all things that were in the movie that's what you pick.

I'd say Luke surviving Force lighting was one.

Do you not feel Baze Malbus taking out the remaining Deathteoopers counts?

[The Chosen One]

And funny you didn't even mention prequels.

[Krgrecw]

The mcguffin in Anh is r2d2.

[50PoundHead]

I don't think you do. Or you haven't thought about it enough. You can take the opinion that MacGuffins don't exist, but the force has literally been on in every OT film.

Ep 4 - the force allows luke to guide a torpedo into the death star exhaust
Ep 5 - The force allows Luke to communicate to Leia someone who's never been force trained, to save him from falling to his death
Ep 6 - The internal force in ANakin switches from Dark to Light at the moment when Palpatine is at his most vulnerable allowing for Vader to kill him. There's another one in it but it's not coming to me yet.
Ep 7 - Rey happens to come into the usage of the force in her most dire needs
Rogue One - Donnie Yen's character is strolling across a battlefield stopping the best of the best storm troopers from missing him despite all of their fire aiming at them, and when he completes his task he's gunned down immediately.

And no spoiler wraps because at this point the movie's been out long enough anyone should have seen it.

That's not a mcguffin. A mcguffin is a red herring. An event to provide the audience with the basis for the initial angle of the narrative. It usually turns out to be a throw-away as the story continues.

[zitothebrave]

That's not a mcguffin. A mcguffin is a red herring. An event to provide the audience with the basis for the initial angle of the narrative. It usually turns out to be a throw-away as the story continues.

MacGuffins aren't red herrings. They're plot devices that are there to move the story forward and not explicitly explained, like how Luke just knows how to "use the force" to make his shot so on so forth.

[zitothebrave]

And funny you didn't even mention prequels.

It's because I haven't obsessed over the prequels as much as they're so full of ****. Though I'd say overarching, Jar Jar is the MacGuffin in the prequels as he's semi or directly involved in all the points of the movies moving forward.

[zitothebrave]

That's a little ridiculous. Of all things that were in the movie that's what you pick.

I'd say Luke surviving Force lighting was one.

Do you not feel Baze Malbus taking out the remaining Deathteoopers counts?

WEll I wasn't really sure of the perfect one but it seemed like one. Vader just a few moments before was content with Killing Luke himself with his "Then you shall die" or whatever line.

I would say Baze's performance was a little more normal.

[CyYoung31]

I don't think you do. Or you haven't thought about it enough. You can take the opinion that MacGuffins don't exist, but the force has literally been on in every OT film.

Ep 4 - the force allows luke to guide a torpedo into the death star exhaust
Ep 5 - The force allows Luke to communicate to Leia someone who's never been force trained, to save him from falling to his death
Ep 6 - The internal force in ANakin switches from Dark to Light at the moment when Palpatine is at his most vulnerable allowing for Vader to kill him. There's another one in it but it's not coming to me yet.
Ep 7 - Rey happens to come into the usage of the force in her most dire needs
Rogue One - Donnie Yen's character is strolling across a battlefield stopping the best of the best storm troopers from missing him despite all of their fire aiming at them, and when he completes his task he's gunned down immediately.

And no spoiler wraps because at this point the movie's been out long enough anyone should have seen it.

Yeah, you clearly don't know what it is.