11/18 AFL: Wednesday Game Summary; Winkler is a hot hand

[rico43]

Scottsdale 5, Peoria (12-14) 0

Camargo 0-3, BB, K (.207) 3B
Lien 0-3, 2 K (.164) CF
Odom 1-3, K (.133) C

Odom had one of only two hits for Peoria

Winkler 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K (3.00)

[Tapate50]

Lien had a rough AFL, but for me it doesn't douse his hot season. Has offense been down this year in the AFL?

Good to see from Winkler. I think that's where he settles in at the MLB level. 3.50 ish ERA.

[striker42]

Lien had a rough AFL, but for me it doesn't douse his hot season. Has offense been down this year in the AFL?

Good to see from Winkler. I think that's where he settles in at the MLB level. 3.50 ish ERA.

I think The Fonz ends up with a better ERA than 3.50 at the MLB level but mainly because of his use. I see him as a valuable situational righty with that delivery. If everything hits right, maybe he could be a set up man but as a guy who comes in and can get some key right handed hitters out, I think he ends up with artificially low ERAs.

[Tapate50]

I think The Fonz ends up with a better ERA than 3.50 at the MLB level but mainly because of his use. I see him as a valuable situational righty with that delivery. If everything hits right, maybe he could be a set up man but as a guy who comes in and can get some key right handed hitters out, I think he ends up with artificially low ERAs.

You think EVERYONE ends up in the Bp.

[bravesfanMatt]

You think EVERYONE ends up in the Bp.

Winkler will be in the pen next year no doubt. But he has always been a starter.. so we will see.

[striker42]

You think EVERYONE ends up in the Bp.

Not really. I'm generally for keeping guys in the rotation as starters are generally more valuable. For example, I really want the Braves to do everything they can to keep Folty in the rotation. He's got the ability to keep his velocity up late into games. That's huge for a starter. I'm usually only a fan of shifting guys to the pen when they are either terrible starters or they look to have more potential out of the pen. I'd rather have a guy be a good setup man than a mediocre number 4 starter.

I think Winkler ends up in the pen largely because of that arm angle and a lack of pure stuff. He's a side arming right hander who relies on deception and movement; those usually end up in the pen. He's been much tougher on right handers than lefties in his career and I would expect that to be more extreme in the majors. I could see Winkler being a reliever that is devastating to right handers but who struggles with lefties. If he can just be okay against lefties then he could end up as a set up man.

[emk418]

You think EVERYONE ends up in the Bp.

I agree though. Winkler is a future solid bullpen arm for us starting this year. We obviously have a lot of SP depth coming through the minors and he doesn't have the upside as a good amount of our other arms. I think his stuff and deceptive delivery could make him an asset in the pen

[zbhargrove]

Lien had a rough AFL, but for me it doesn't douse his hot season. Has offense been down this year in the AFL?

Good to see from Winkler. I think that's where he settles in at the MLB level. 3.50 ish ERA.

It is bad news for Lien, IMO... yes, he had a hot breakout season... but if you look under the surface, he had a sky high BABIP that is just not sustainable. If you look at a lot of the peripherals, he was better last year, but not near as good as the surface stats look.

[Tapate50]

BRAINFART, for some reason I was Winkler and thought WISLER. BRUTAL.

[striker42]

BRAINFART, for some reason I was Winkler and thought WISLER. BRUTAL.

lol. No, Wisler would not be a good reliever. It's either rotation or nothing for him.

[atl717]

lol. No, Wisler would not be a good reliever. It's either rotation or nothing for him.

Wisler would be fine in the pen. He would get a tick on his fastball and his slider. Easier to throw a plus slider as a reliever. Anyone who can start can relieve. Makes no sense to say a guy can only start or nothing else.