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    Flint, Mich

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...SFA-4214-F.pdf

    If we can get our minds off of Bill Clintons dick and President Obama giving federal employees the day after Christmas off there is this.

    Let's use this as a starting point of conversation on how exactly we repair this city.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde..._deserves.html
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    Haven't heard from Trump,Cruz,Carson or Rubio. I am sure Rand Paul is all over this and Gary Johnson is aghast
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    Think about that. This was supposed to be an event with dancing kids with cat whiskers drawn on their faces, eating healthy food, and winning a damn raffle. Now, it's being used as a chance for parents in one of the poorest cities in the country to see if their state has permanently damaged their kids because that's better than spending a little extra money on water tests or, you know, water safety. And what are they raffling now? Aquafina twelve-packs?


    Freeman Elementary School in Flint, Michigan: A Demonstration of Heartbreaking Urban Disregard


    If you go looking for information or updates on the crisis of lead poisoning the water of Flint, Michigan, you'll come across so many stories that make you despair for the treatment of the urban, industrial population in this greatest nation in the history of everything ever. If you're not up on this insane story about the criminal neglect and outright damnation of a poor city, especially its children, by cost-cutting Republicans, Rachel Maddow and her staff have been doing the kind of investigative reporting work that used to be a regular part of our media. If it's too much work to watch Maddow, you can read a quick summary to get up to speed.


    - See more at: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/....PLaJkocE.dpuf
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    Which gets us to Freeman Elementary School, a pre-kindergarten to sixth-grade public school in Flint and its family fun day, which will be held tomorrow at the school. Of course, it's not going to be just family fun, as a headline from the local paper reveals:


    Yes, as the article says, "Children will be able to get their blood tested for lead during a family fun night this week at Freeman Elementary School in Flint." And then, heartbreakingly, "Lead testing is planned for infants up to children six years old, along with water filter giveaways, dance fitness for children, face painting, balloon artist, a free healthy meal, refreshments and raffles." -
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    Imagine if you lived in a city where the drinking water supply had been poisoned by lead after cost-saving measures were enacted by an unelected, appointed official. Now imagine you were being billed for that “privilege”.

    http://www.eclectablog.com/2016/01/w...-they-are.html

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    can we now put notions of austerity as the guiding political principle in the grave ?
    Of course it must be considered but at what cost ?

    How does the old saying go "Payz me now or Payz me later "
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    Heard this was in the works. States response vs federal response red tape was an issue

    In another thread an incurious poster wondered Obama's response. Was traveling and could not respond in time
    found this though and a partial explanation to the whys and wherefores of the delayed federal response.

    Also heard there is Justice Department investigation


    President Obama declares emergency in Flint
    "... under federal law, only natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods are eligible for disaster declarations, federal and state officials said. The lead contamination of Flint's drinking water is a man-made catastrophe."


    http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...lint/78898604/
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    The city of Flint, Mich., is in the midst of a water crisis several years in the making. The city opted out of Detroit's water supply and began drawing water from the Flint River in April 2014, part of a cost-saving move. Eighteen months later, in the fall of 2015, researchers discovered that the proportion of children with above-average lead levels in their blood had doubled.

    The city reconnected to Detroit's water system in October, but the damage was done. Water from the Flint River was found to be highly corrosive to the lead pipes still used in some parts of the city. Even though Flint River water no longer flows through the city's pipes, it's unclear how long those pipes will continue to leach unsafe levels of lead into the tap water supply. Experts currently say the water is safe for bathing, but not drinking.

    A group of Virginia Tech researchers who sampled the water in 271 Flint homes last summer found some contained lead levels high enough to meet the EPA's definition of "toxic waste."

    The researchers posted their test results online, which I represent graphically below with other visuals to help understand just how high above normal Flint's lead levels really were.

    Lead in water is measured in terms of parts per billion (ppb). If a test comes back with lead levels higher than 15 ppb, the EPA recommends that homeowners and municipalities take steps to reduce that level, like updating pipes and putting anti-corrosive elements in the water when appropriate.

    But 15 ppb is a regulatory measure, not a public health one. Researchers stress that there is no 100 percent "safe" level of lead in drinking water, only acceptable levels. Even levels as low as 5 ppb can be a cause for concern, according to the group studying Flint's water.

    So let's start with Flint's neighboring cities. At the city level, public health officials are most concerned with the 90th percentile level of lead exposure in homes they test -- that is, 90 percent of homes will have a lead level below this threshold, while 10 percent will register above it.
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    Forty-five minutes away from Flint in Troy, Mich., the 90th percentile level for lead in 2013 was 1.1 parts per billion. Not too shabby at all. In the graphics that follow, each splotch represents 1 part per billion. The splotches aren't proportionally scaled to the cups -- 1 part per billion is way too small to be visualized at this level. But all of the following graphics are scaled proportionally to each other, to give an impression of relative lead levels.



    In Detroit, the water supply Flint had previously been connected to, the 90th percentile reading was 2.3 parts per billion -- still highly acceptable.



    Here's an illustration of water at the 5 parts per billion level. This is below the borderline for EPA acceptability, but the team of researchers studying Flint's water say that levels this high can be a cause for concern, particularly for young children.



    Now things get interesting. Here's a glass illustrating the 90th percentile reading among the 271 Flint homes tested by researchers last summer:



    At 27 parts per billion, it's five times as high as the level of concern, and nearly twice as high as the EPA's already-generous guidelines. According to the researchers who ran these tests, the health effects of lead levels this high "can include high blood pressure and other cardiovascular problems, kidney damage and memory and neurological problems."

    Recall, though, that 10 percent of the homes in the sample had lead levels even higher than this. Here's the highest lead reading in that sample, from a home in the city's 8th Ward:



    That's more than 10 times the EPA limit. It's 30 times higher than the 5 ppb reading that can indicate unsafe lead amounts.

    But that 158 ppb reading is far from the worst one that turned up in Flint, unfortunately. In the spring of 2015, city officials tested water in the home of LeeAnne Walters, a stay-at-home mother of four and a Navy wife. They got a reading of 397 ppb, an alarmingly high number.

    But it was even worse than that. Virginia Tech's team went to Walters' house to verify those numbers later in the year. They were concerned that the city tested water in a way that was almost guaranteed to minimize lead readings: They flushed the water for several minutes before taking a sample, which often washes away a percentage of lead contaminants. They also made residents collect water at a very low flow rate, which they knew also tended to be associated with lower readings.

    So the Virginia Tech researchers took 30 different readings at various flow levels. What they found shocked them: The lowest reading they obtained was around 200 ppb, already ridiculously high. But more than half of the readings came in at more than 1,000 ppb. Some came in above 5,000 -- the level at which EPA considers the water to be "toxic waste."

    The highest reading registered at 13,000 ppb.



    The professor who conducted the sampling, Dr. Marc Edwards, was in "disbelief."

    "We had never seen such sustained high levels of lead in 25 years of work," he said.

    According to Edwards, the team retested the water with extra quality controls and assurance checks, and obtained the exact same results.

    You can check out their description of the testing at the website they set up for their water study. It includes unsettling photos of LeeAnne Walters' tap water containing rust and metal particles large enough to be seen with the naked eye.

    The Walters family had stopped drinking the water a long time ago, according to the Virginia Tech team. But still, the lead levels were too high. One of Walters' 4-year-old sons was diagnosed with lead poisoning.

    It appears that the city of Flint and state of Michigan have finally started to take the water problem seriously. Again, they reconnected the city to Detroit's supply back in October, but the water remains unsafe to drink.

    In recent days the National Guard was activated to help distribute drinking water to the city's residents. And in yet another unsettling wrinkle in Flint's saga, 87 cases of Legionnaire's Disease, 10 fatal, have been diagnosed in the city since June. It's not yet clear whether that outbreak is linked to the water.
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    Nice to see that it only took a few months for Obama to do something about this.

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    Not surprised. Hell hole of a city elects democrats to run the city every time and they wonder why they live in a hell hole. But go on, keep electing that guy handing out free 20$ bills. If he ****s up too bad we can just guilt trip the rest of the state/country to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    Nice to see that it only took a few months for Obama to do something about this.
    As explained above , since this wasn't a natural disaster the Feds were bound by law to wait for the states request
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Not surprised. Hell hole of a city elects democrats to run the city every time and they wonder why they live in a hell hole. But go on, keep electing that guy handing out free 20$ bills. If he ****s up too bad we can just guilt trip the rest of the state/country to help.
    This decision was not made by and was out of the hands of elected city officials.
    They (elected city representatives) fought the change.

    This info is linked above
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    As explained above , since this wasn't a natural disaster the Feds were bound by law to wait for the states request


    And you don't think the Feds could had done something about that? Like tell the governor to ask for help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    And you don't think the Feds could had done something about that? Like tell the governor to ask for help?
    Obviously - but the Feds, by law - can't do anything without the states request.
    My understanding is the Jsutice Department began their investigation before last week.
    That info is in the links above - somewhere.

    The Feds don't tell Governors to do anything, let alone admit they screwed up
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    Flint and Katrina: Poor People, Poor Treatment and Water

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    Rubio says he hasn't followed the Flint water crisis. "It's just not an issue we've quite frankly followed or been briefed on"
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    The governor’s office declined to answer questions about what role it played in the decision-making process that led to Flint using the local river as its main water source, but what is clear is that the lead-contamination crisis took place while the city was under the control of Snyder-appointed emergency managers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    This decision was not made by and was out of the hands of elected city officials.
    They (elected city representatives) fought the change.

    This info is linked above
    My understanding is the change was made to save money because the city was bankrupt. I blame the ones who bankrupted the city. Like the one mayor who claimed a big surplus when facing reelection then immediately after being reelected said it was actually in huge debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    My understanding is the change was made to save money because the city was bankrupt. I blame the ones who bankrupted the city. Like the one mayor who claimed a big surplus when facing reelection then immediately after being reelected said it was actually in huge debt.



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