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    Why are the intellectual liberals so accepting of Sanders?

    Sanders is basically the Trump of the left. Trump makes wild statements that have no real support of those who are more educated. Yet Sanders makes similar statements and the more educated on the left are kind of rolling with it. So why is this the case? It's fascinating to me.
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    There's a simple answer here. Liberal intellectuals aren't unified by any stretch regarding Sanders. A lot of left-of-center economists are shooting holes in his budget plans. Sure, there are publications like The Nation that are pumping up his candidacy, but I don't sense that he is the political brand of choice among the thinking types on the left (and I imbibe a lot of material from these folks). There is a generational angle to Sanders' success and I think that's his primary fuel. There's not a lot of serious intellectual firepower backing him.

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    Agreed... he's also as robotic as Rubio... no matter the question, he will get wall street in the answer

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    “America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves.”

    – Kurt Vonnegut, “Slaughterhouse Five”.

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    Americans are mostly poor??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Americans are mostly poor??
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    yes, Americans are poor.

    Poorly educated. Imagine a grown person that doesn't understand how an election or the Supreme Court operates while using the constitution wrongly to justify their 8th grade points.

    We are poor- civilly minded in that people take for granted the roads and bridges we use daily all the while mis understanding taxation as legalized theft

    We are poor of spirit in that we invest our hard earned money in foreign sweat shops

    We are poor in compassion in that we take for granted our advantages and look down on others not afforded the same advantages

    We are poor -
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Americans are mostly poor??
    Look around
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    DOZENS OF BLACK STUDENTS
    KICKED OUT OF TRUMP RALLY





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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Americans are mostly poor??
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0bf0dab32f101
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    this was just yesterday.

    How could you ask such a question.
    Is your bubble that thick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Americans are mostly poor??
    This is the most watched talking head.
    Once you scratch the surface, most of your talking points originate from here. A little reflection once in a while ...

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6904336.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Americans are mostly poor??
    57 figures he can't respond to the OP so he'll instead hijack the thread by saying something patently ridiculous.

    He's on a roll...expensive medicine, black people kicked out of a Trump rally, something about Bill O'Reilly.... this is more advanced than trolling 101, that's for sure
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    so poorly read
    some have no idea who Kurt Vonnegut is or the context of the quote
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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    57 figures he can't respond to the OP so he'll instead hijack the thread by saying something patently ridiculous.
    did I hijack the thread or I couldn't respond?

    ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    57 figures he can't respond to the OP so he'll instead hijack the thread by saying something patently ridiculous.

    He's on a roll...expensive medicine, black people kicked out of a Trump rally, something about Bill O'Reilly.... this is more advanced than trolling 101, that's for sure
    57, like Bernie, has no clue about math

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    why not shine Gary Johnsons platform under the same light?

    There are no studies available because , why waste the time. His policies are either an extension of (R) or unworkable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    why not shine Gary Johnsons platform under the same light?

    There are no studies available because , why waste the time. His policies are either an extension of (R) or unworkable.
    I suppose we could look at his record at running private business or running an entire state

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    You never learn,
    after the (R) Governor of Michagan created the disaster in Flint and the nominee of your party flouting their business acumen -- the running of a business and governing a constituency are two totally opposite things.

    Kinda like we just learned being a Brain Surgeon doesn't necessarily equate to being POTUS.
    Politics is neiter a business or, hold on here .............................. drum roll please .................................................
    BING
    brain surgery
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I suppose we could look at his record at running private business or running an entire state
    Let's do that... shall we?

    First term
    See also: New Mexico gubernatorial election, 1994
    Johnson entered politics in 1994, with the intention of running for governor and was advised by "Republican Elders" to run for the State Legislature instead. Despite their advice, Johnson spent $500,000 of his own money and entered the race with the intent of bringing a "common sense business approach" to the office. Johnson's campaign slogan was "People before Politics". His platform emphasized tax cuts, job creation, state government spending growth restraint, and law and order. He won the Republican nomination, defeating state legislator Richard P. Cheney by 34% to 33%, with John Dendahl and former governor David F. Cargo in third and fourth. Johnson subsequently won the general election, defeating the incumbent Democratic Governor Bruce King by 50% to 40%. Johnson was elected in a nationally Republican year, although party registration in the state of New Mexico at the time was 2-to-1 Democratic.

    As governor, Johnson followed a strict small government approach. According to former New Mexico Republican National Committee member Mickey D. Barnett, "Any time someone approached him about legislation for some purpose, his first response always was to ask if government should be involved in that to begin with." He vetoed 200 of 424 bills in his first six months in office—a national record of 47% of all legislation—and used the line-item veto on most remaining bills. In office, Johnson fulfilled his campaign promise to reduce the 10% annual growth of the state budget. In his first budget, Johnson proposed a wide range of tax cuts, including a repeal of the prescription drug tax, a $47 million income tax cut, and a 6 cents per gallon gasoline tax cut. However, of these, only the gasoline tax cut was passed. During the November 1995 federal government shutdown, he joined 20 other Republican governors who called on the Republican leadership in Congress to stand firm in negotiations against the Clinton administration in budget negotiations; in the article reporting on the letter and concomitant news conference he was quoted as calling for eliminating the budget deficit through proportional cuts across the budget. Although Johnson worked to reduce overall state spending, in his first term, he raised education spending by nearly a third. When drop-out rates and test scores showed little improvement, Johnson changed his tactics and began advocating for school vouchers—a key issue in budget battles of his second term as governor.

    Second term
    See also: New Mexico gubernatorial election, 1998
    In 1998, Johnson ran for re-election as governor against Democratic Albuquerque Mayor Martin Chavez. In his campaign, Johnson promised to continue the policies of his first term: improving schools; cutting state spending, taxes, and bureaucracy; and frequent use of his veto and line-item veto power. Fielding a strong Hispanic candidate in a 40% Hispanic state, the Democrats were expected to oust Johnson, but Johnson won by a 55%-to-45% margin: making him the first Governor of New Mexico to serve two successive four-year terms after term limits were expanded to two terms in 1991.[26] Johnson made the promotion of a school voucher system a "hallmark issue" of his second term. In 1999, he proposed the first statewide voucher system in America, which would have enrolled 100,000 students in its first year. That year, he vetoed two budgets that failed to include a voucher program and a government shutdown was threatened, but ultimately yielded to Democratic majorities in both houses of the New Mexico Legislature, who opposed the plan. Johnson signed the budget, but line-item vetoed a further $21m, or 0.5%, from the legislative plan. In 1999, Johnson became one of the highest-ranking elected officials in the US to advocate the legalization of marijuana. Saying the War on Drugs was "an expensive bust", he advocated the decriminalization of marijuana use and concentration on harm-reduction measures for all other illegal drugs. "He compared attempts to enforce the nation's drug laws with the failed attempt at alcohol prohibition. Half of what government spends on police, courts and prisons is to deal with drug offenders." He suggested that drug abuse be treated as a health issue, not as a criminal issue. His approach to the issue garnered supportive notice from conservative icon William F. Buckley, as well as the Cato Institute and Rolling Stone.

    In 2000, Johnson proposed a more ambitious voucher program than he had proposed the year before, under which each parent would receive $3,500 per child for education at any private or parochial school. The Democrats sought $90m extra school funding without school vouchers, and questioned Johnson's request for more funding for state-run prisons, having opposed his opening of two private prisons. Negotiations between the governor and the legislature were contentious, again nearly leading to a government shutdown. In 2000, New Mexico was devastated by the Cerro Grande Fire. Johnson's handling of the disaster earned him accolades from The Denver Post, which observed that:

    Johnson.....was all over the Cerro Grande Fire last week. He helped reporters understand where the fire was headed when low-level Forest Service officials couldn't, ran herd over the bureaucratic process of getting state and federal agencies and the National Guard involved, and even helped put out some of the fire with his feet. On a tour of Los Alamos last Wednesday, when he saw small flames spreading across a lawn, he had his driver stop his car. He jumped out and stomped on the flames, as did his wife and some of his staffers.

    Johnson's leadership during the fire was praised by Democratic Congressman Tom Udall, who said: "I think the real test of leadership is when you have circumstances like this. He's called on his reserves of energy and has just been a really excellent leader under very difficult circumstances here." Johnson rebuffed efforts by the Libertarian Party to draft him in the 2000 presidential election, stating himself to be a Republican with no interest in running for president.


    Reception
    ommentator Andrew Sullivan quoted a claim that Johnson "is highly regarded in the state for his outstanding leadership during two terms as governor. He slashed the size of state government during his term and left the state with a large budget surplus." In an interview in Reason magazine in January 2001, Johnson's accomplishments in office were described as follows: "no tax increases in six years, a major road building program, shifting Medicaid to managed care, constructing two new private prisons, canning 1,200 state employees, and vetoing a record number of bills". According to one New Mexico paper, "Johnson left the state fiscally solid", and was "arguably the most popular governor of the decade… leaving the state with a $1 billion budget surplus." The Washington Times reported that when Johnson left office, "the size of state government had been substantially reduced and New Mexico was enjoying a large budget surplus."

    According to a profile of Johnson in the National Review, "During his tenure, he vetoed more bills than the other 49 governors combined—750 in total, one third of which had been introduced by Republican legislators. Johnson also used his line-item-veto power thousands of times. He credits his heavy veto pen for eliminating New Mexico's budget deficit and cutting the growth rate of New Mexico's government in half." According to the Myrtle Beach Sun, Johnson "said his numerous vetoes, only two of which were overridden, stemmed from his philosophy of looking at all things for their cost–benefit ratio and his axe fell on Republicans as well as Democrats".


    While in office, Johnson was criticized for opposing funding for an independent study of private prisons after a series of riots and killings at the facilities. Martin Chavez, his opponent in the 1998 New Mexico gubernatorial race, criticized Johnson for his frequent vetoing of programs, suggesting that it resulted in New Mexico's low economic and social standing nationally. Journalist Mark Ames described Johnson as "a hard-core conservative" who "ruled the state like a right-wing authoritarian" and only embraced marijuana legalization in his second term for populist gain. This was mainly in reference to a commercial from Johnson's reelection campaign, featuring Johnson saying that a felon in New Mexico would serve "every lousy second" of their prison sentence. Johnson insisted however that the commercial was directed at "the guy who's got his gun out" rather than non-violent drug offenders.

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