The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
goldfly (01-30-2017), The Chosen One (01-31-2017)
I'm not sure Hilldog is quite as evil as Cheney, but I see your point.Originally Posted by cajunrevenge
As for the rest, no Cheney was not Pope, I was just trying to establish a baseline for what evil is, a reference point if you will.
Explain to me what makes Cheney evil that doesnt also apply to the Clintons?
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
The Iraq War for one thing. Again my statement was not meant to praise Hilldog, only the try and put the whole concept of evil into perspective. Is Hilldog evil, I'd say yes, is she as evil as Vlad Cheney? I'd say no, but if you want to give her some sort of "Honorable Mention" type of award, I'd be OK with that.
She voted to authorize the war though. Hillary is just Cheney in a dress to me.
Last edited by cajunrevenge; 01-30-2017 at 04:51 PM.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
jpx7 (01-30-2017)
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
cajunrevenge (01-30-2017), jpx7 (01-30-2017)
I am decidedly not a fan of Schumer; but what he advocates in that tweet is several orders of magnitude less extreme than what President Trump's Executive Order stipulates.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
The Chosen One (01-31-2017)
But if it's agreed that these deficiencies exist then why wouldn't we immediately stop all immigration till it's fixed?
Natural Immunity Croc
I don't agree that these deficiencies exist. But there are good reasons to not "immediately stop all immigration till it's fixed" (which isn't even what's happening, anyway)—among them that, at least under President Trump's insane proclamation, legal residents of the United States were given no warning of this blockage and no quarter as they attempted to return to their legal home.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Do I smell a pay-per-view with the proceeds going to charity?
jpx7 (01-30-2017)
I'm not a fan of letting your potential enemies know of your plans to combat their skills
I think that's a very misguided position to be arguing from, and I don't really think the suddenness of President Trump's absurd declaration did much to "combat" the "skills" of anyone, except those of our own State Department's ability to combat radicalization and terrorism abroad.
Moreover, the numbers don't back up the concerns that supposedly fueled this EO—especially considering the list of nations was, to put it beneficently, awkwardly selective.
Think of it this way: Americans kill far more fellow Americans with guns than foreign nationals kill Americans with anything. You say restricting access to guns won't help, or won't help enough to justify the restriction of access. I disagree, but statistics are—and I'm being generous here—inconclusive to my proclivities. Well, by the same token, vis-à-vis terrorism, I say that travel restrictions to this country, imposed upon visa-holders or permanent-resident aliens of a certain religion from those seven countries, won't help combat terrorism, or won't help enough to justify that sort of discriminatory activity—and the statistics are much closer to conclusive on this score. You consider restriction-a to be insanity—a total abrogation of those dear rights that make America so grand ... but you consider restriction-b to be laudable, sensible policy. Help me make sense of this cognitive disjunction.
Last edited by jpx7; 01-30-2017 at 07:44 PM. Reason: Felt I was initially too glibly dismissive.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
Especially when the other side has dragons.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
A few potential America hating Muslims immigrating legally is NOT a problem for the Republic, as long as it remains "the land of the free". I think this immigration band is 99% cosmetic - it's to stop people who look Middle Eastern, regardless of their politics and it's to make Trump look proactive.
jpx7 (01-30-2017)
I bet if Trump came out in favor of food the SJWs would stop eating. And before anyone says it, yes I know Republicans were the same way with Obama. Thats why I dont vote for either of them.
Last edited by cajunrevenge; 01-30-2017 at 07:45 PM.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
(a) False dichotomy here.
(b) I fundamentally, philosophically disagree. War is death; gardening is life.
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
If it was to accomplish that then the ban would be for many other countries. I won't bacj down in my beliefs. I think the threat that Islam poses is real and the western world needs to take uncomfortable approaches to figure out how to solve this
Then we just can't possibly agree on this issue. It happens.
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