What I don't like is that the government is forcing people to get it, and then bragging when people comply or go to jail.
I also don't like that it gives health insurers a license to raise premiums.
I also don't like that my premiums have gone up substantially in order to subsidize the mandates (or do you still not believe that my premiums went up)
I also don't like that despite the unimaginable money spent, it only got enrollments from 85% to 90%
That enough for you?
This man is the dumbest person in politics.
acesfull86 (01-06-2017)
You want me to sell parts of the ACA? I can argue anything but I don't see the point in doing that. I have said since Obamacare won the Supreme Court case that it was never going away. It would just get "reformed" over and over again. I can't believe anyone thought Romney would repeal it.
"Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.
It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
no, because I asked you make the case for - and you recite the congressional / TeaParty line.Originally Posted by sturg33
Convenient how your increases coincidentally match worse case scenario Right Wing numbers
a) the government forces you to do a lot of things. I am required to have auto insurance, my bank requires I have home insurance
why do they "force " me ? Because the more people contributing (in theory) the lower the contribution
b) Address the health insurers and your congressman to do something about it
Why do they indiscriminally raise premium ? Because they can - loophole. Close the loophole
c) Premiums go up because --- premiums go up.
Why? Inflation, greed,
d) 85-90% is a pretty big number had you been of the 20M+ unable to purchase insurance before hand. This is after all is a Health program --
Why only 85-90% = This is the easiest of all, because states are unwilling to pass Medicare expansion
Why are those states unwilling to pass Medicare I completely understand that ----- they want the Obama Policies to politically fail
which is after all what this is all about.
How many people have gone to jail ???
Certain here if someone did, we would have heard about them the way we heard about the marriage license woman in Tennessee
there is no one in jail
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
The only reason states have to require auto insurance is because most folks don't have 25/50 k minimum (state) limits in their savings to make their fellow man whole of they t bone him and are deemed responsible. It's just easier to require it. And plenty of large corps are self insured ...
Also if you pay cash for your home no one requires home owners insurance. They require that if you require their money in doing so, therefore insuring the collateral - used on this example as a home- isn't wiped to 0 and them left in the cold with "homeowner" unwilling to keep paying for a 0 asset. They don't force you because it keeps premiums low, they force you to insure your property because it isn't really yours until the bank removes any liens- then when it's truely and clear - you are free to choose not to pay insurance anymore.
And, you know, a bank isn't the government. And, you know, you don't have to buy a home
But why bother with this dolt
sigh... not sure why I'm gonna do this. but here goes. Let's talk to the brick wall once again
a) the government forces me to have auto insurance to ensure I can cover bodily injury / propery damage of of others. not for myself
b) well, when the government mandates that I buy a company's product, the company might as well raise their prices. Perhaps we should lobby the government to get rid of the law... but then you bitch
c) Or because I'm forced to buy a product. Here's a quiz for you... give me an example of a government subsidized product that has reduced costs? Education? healthcare? housing?... funny that the electronic industry has been able to get their products cheaper despite inflation
d) People were allowed to buy insurance beforehand. they just didn't. My roommate is an example. He was young and healthy, and didn't buy it. Now he is paying 220 a month for something he never uses. Yay government!
Also - I didn't find my premium increases very convenient.
A) You're still ok with the government enforcing that? What about if you're driving slow in the rain and still slide into a ditch or into a pole on the sidewalk. Is that not also what your auto insurance is for? I mean I just discovered my auto insurance will reimburse me for calling a pop-a-lock company to open my door after I left the keys in.
C) Those electronics products are cheaper but the quality is ****. In particular, items that have planned obsolescence like phones. Do you think it's right that phone companies force you to download updates on older phones which makes them go slower and freeze, forcing them to upgrade to a newer one? I know you're going to defend corporations no matter what, but is there not a slither of disgust in your blood that companies purposely make products that they know is going to be slow and unusable in 24-36 months, or force users to download updates in general?
D) We're just never going to agree with this here and it's no surprise. You don't think government should be involved in health insurance, period. It doesn't matter if health insurance companies boned people before Obamacare, especially sick people. I don't think health insurance companies should play with people's lives or people should go bankrupt because of them. But I already know your answer is going to be, it's their right to do that yadda yadda yadda. I'd rather we go all in for a single-payer system. We already know you're just going to talk about it's not the government's responsibility, wasted spending, etc. You basically are saying because the government just provided new customers to health insurance companies, that they should raise them because they can. Health insurance company in California bragged about record profits last summer, not even a few months later they were crying foul of having to raise premiums again. Sick people are using health insurance. Health insurance they couldn't afford before Obamacare. I get it, you don't care about them, and you don't like the fact they're causing healthy people's premiums in their insurance pools to go up. But yet when we call for a public option to give a choice for sick and poor people you're against it as well. No fingers pointed at the health insurance companies for ethics. We know you stand by them over sick people because their right to profit is constitutionally more important then a poor person choosing to stay home and flip a coin on going to the hospital. What do you propose as a way to help sick and poor people get access to healthcare? Because if we aren't putting htem in pools of healthy people and making their rates go up, we're offering Medicaid (which you're against), or we just gonna go start a GoFundMe everytime? Or are you going to ramble about government regulations and the free market again. As if you think there's tons of incentive for the free market to help sick and poor people with health insurance.
To be honest with you, I would cut other entitlements or shutter them into a simpler program if it meant Single-Payer universal for all. I would make cuts to food stamps, housing, etc if it meant healthcare were there for everyone. No use in having food stamps or a roof if you're about to die or always sick.
Forever Fredi
Hawk (01-06-2017)
really ???
U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
January 4 at 8:35pm ·
At a time when Republicans want to cut Social Security benefits for people living on $13,000 or $14,000 a year, the nominee for Secretary of State just got a severance package of $180 million. This is what oligarchy looks like.
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.
You might notice that it's not raining in the above picture
That's quite an emotional response you got here... and not really a rational one. You saying "i don't care about sick people" is not helpful for the discussion.
Do you think our health insurance system is better because of Obamacare? I know it sucked before - the government's been involved for far too long - but do you think it has gotten better or worse?
A lot of people voted for Trump because they can't afford their health insurance any more.
You will get your wish though. I believe ACA was set up to fail, so that the government can "rescue" us with single payer. How noble.
Yeah really.
And I can play that game too... "at a time when Bernie Sanders is bitching about kids not being able to buy their first home, he just closed on his 3rd home for $600K"
that was fun!
Lol
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
your point? It was "something-ing" enough for Trump to need the umbrella. Perhaps he was trying to not make the sun jealous.
My point is it wasn't some un-gentlemen thing to do. It may even be photoshopped. Or maybe he didn't want to be in the sun.
Wow, you're really buying into this whole Donald thing aren't you. Hang in there, I think you're REALLY gonna like him once he gets rolling.
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