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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    You clearly said they would have a good defense. I wouldn't have argued if you just argued length.

    I vehemently disagree that the Thinder can go small and still have a good defensive lineup.
    If KD is playing defense like he played prior to getting hurt then I think it can be at the worst an average lineup. They can switch every single PnR and still have an elite rim protector.
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    Knicks all of a sudden have some talent; bet they add Monroe as well

    Grant, Melo, Grant, Monroe, Euro
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    If KD is playing defense like he played prior to getting hurt then I think it can be at the worst an average lineup. They can switch every single PnR and still have an elite rim protector.
    You can't switch Russ onto the bigger wings (and God no not onto a big). And if he's guarding the 2 he's going to be off the ball a lot and he's proven the last couple years that he's awful at that.

    And Payne isn't long enough to switch onto anyone. You realize the guards we talk about being able to switch are 6'6"? Payne can guard the point and that's probably it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Knicks all of a sudden have some talent; bet they add Monroe as well

    Grant, Melo, Grant, Monroe, Euro
    Galloway was pretty good last year as well.

    They will buy a second round pick in a deep draft and could find a player.

    Good job by Phil so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    You can't switch Russ onto the bigger wings (and God no not onto a big). And if he's guarding the 2 he's going to be off the ball a lot and he's proven the last couple years that he's awful at that.
    If the team wants to go big then the Thunder will ABUSE that team offensively. But, when they go small Russ can body up a bigger wing. Russel is as strong of a guard as there is in the league.

    Its not perfect but the differential between offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency is goingto be huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Knicks all of a sudden have some talent; bet they add Monroe as well

    Grant, Melo, Grant, Monroe, Euro
    They wont be good until 2-3 years and Melo will be out of his prime.

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    Outbre had a defensive rating of 92 last year despite the team being poor defensively without him on the court. That sounds good to me
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    Knicks need to sell Melo quickly IMO. Go full rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    You can't switch Russ onto the bigger wings (and God no not onto a big). And if he's guarding the 2 he's going to be off the ball a lot and he's proven the last couple years that he's awful at that.

    And Payne isn't long enough to switch onto anyone. You realize the guards we talk about being able to switch are 6'6"? Payne can guard the point and that's probably it.
    Russ can guard 2's and some 3's, he's built like a tank.

    Obviously Payne cant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    If the team wants to go big then the Thunder will ABUSE that team offensively. But, when they go small Russ can body up a bigger wing. Russel is as strong of a guard as there is in the league.

    Its not perfect but the differential between offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency is goingto be huge.
    Is Payne a good shooter? I don't know what advantage he gives you if you decide to go small. Isn't his best trait is that he's good at running an offense?

    Payne allows you to rest Russ and run the offense through Durant when he's on the floor and Russ is gone. I'm sure he will play with Durant and Russ, but I don't think that will be one of your better lineups which is my entire point from the beginning.

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    I like Portis a lot, didn't think he would drop tothe Wiz. Odd fit with Bulls loaded at the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Knicks need to sell Melo quickly IMO. Go full rebuild.
    No they don't. They could easily compete in the East with money to spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Russ can guard 2's and some 3's, he's built like a tank.

    Obviously Payne cant.
    Come on dude. Westbrook guarding 3s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Russ can guard 2's and some 3's, he's built like a tank.

    Obviously Payne cant.
    Russ would get murdered by a 3. He's not long enough for that. Durant and Roberson would do well doing that.

    Russ isn't considered that good of a defender. He's not disciplined enough and putting him off ball would mean he's going to try to cheat and steal every pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    No they don't. They could easily compete in the East with money to spend.
    Compete? Porzingis won't be good for 2 years at least.

    Whats the point of competing for the 5th seed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    Come on dude. Westbrook guarding 3s.
    On a switch, im not saying for a whole game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Is Payne a good shooter? I don't know what advantage he gives you if you decide to go small. Isn't his best trait is that he's good at running an offense?

    Payne allows you to rest Russ and run the offense through Durant when he's on the floor and Russ is gone. I'm sure he will play with Durant and Russ, but I don't think that will be one of your better lineups which is my entire point from the beginning.
    He's an ok shooter. Pretty streaky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Russ would get murdered by a 3. He's not long enough for that. Durant and Roberson would do well doing that.

    Russ isn't considered that good of a defender. He's not disciplined enough and putting him off ball would mean he's going to try to cheat and steal every pass.
    Agreed that Russell is not a good defender in a team scheme but thats not due to a lack of ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    No they don't. They could easily compete in the East with money to spend.
    Compete for what, losing in the 1st round?

    They've added some good pieces, selling off Melo would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    I like Portis a lot, didn't think he would drop tothe Wiz. Odd fit with Bulls loaded at the position.
    Gasol is getting older, Noah is a FA after this year and looked bad last year.

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