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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    (there's nothing concrete at all with embiid; he himself said he feels great, they are being ultra careful).
    Agreed but just the fact that they are being careful to me is not a good indication that his foot is structurally sound right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Even still. Surrounding Melo with spare parts and trinkets doesn't sound like a winning formula.

    Knicks fans should embrace a rebuild. In the NBA they don't take terribly long and you are always the right free agent away from winning.
    Again, that plan is all well and good if they didnt max Melo.

    But it makes no sense to do what they're doing with Melo still there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    As opposed to being the Sixers level bad and having the risk of the team leaving the city?
    Im one of the few who actually like what Philly is doing but obviously it will take some time before the plan is actually ready.

    I'd rather do what Philly is doing than be in purputal mediocrity.

    NBA is the one league where picking 12-17 every year is a death-knell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Agreed but just the fact that they are being careful to me is not a good indication that his foot is structurally sound right now.
    it's still relatively early in his recovery, I think they'd be careful regardless of how good it looks right now. He's a potential franchise changer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    I don't think it's possible that every team improved, there has to be some teams that improve and some regress. I still have a suspicion that go for Lawson and Matthews. The three best players on this years team (Cousins, Collison, Gay) account for only about 70% of the games played last year. Plus, I liked McLemore a bit coming out of college so they can pray for growth in him.
    Well sure. Some teams will regress, but if that team regressing is the Clippers then the Kings still stent going to beat them. I don't see many teams being underdogs to the Kings this year. All of the teams that were around Sacramento's level improved a lot (OKC, Utah, Phoenix, Minnesota, etc.). If I was going to tier the teams in the West, I would put Sacramento in the last tier of 3 or 4 wins.

    It's just a weirdly constructed roster as rumored. Cousins hated Isiah because he was a chucker and so you surround him with two notorious chuckers in Monta and Gay. Rondo doesn't help you space the floor at all, so I'm not sure I understand the point of bringing him together with Monta (who needs the ball in his hand) and Cousins who is a ball dominant big. I love Wes, but who knows how he comes back from his injury.

    It is just a weird gamble to take and the payoff is best case scenario of 40 wins.

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    Monta to Indy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    They don't take long if you hit on a couple superstars in the draft. Look how long Philly is terrible for. Detroit has been rebuilding forever. You still need to get lucky with ping pong balls and then draft right player/have a great draft class. Imagine getting first overall pick and it being Anthony Bennett....lol.
    You have to give yourself a chance. You might draw an Anthony Bennett draft, or you might draft a John Wall, Anthony Davis, or Wiggins draft.

    If Philly fails it's because they were unlucky in the draft. At least they gave themselves their best chance possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Again, that plan is all well and good if they didnt max Melo.

    But it makes no sense to do what they're doing with Melo still there.
    Melo was a max player that went to a team that shouldn't have signed him.

    I would like Melo in a number of different situations. The Knicks just aren't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Monta to Indy.
    Looks like Sacramento's grand plan is crumbling beneath them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Looks like Sacramento's grand plan is crumbling beneath them.
    It was such a well devised plan though. Never would have thought it could fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Melo was a max player that went to a team that shouldn't have signed him.

    I would like Melo in a number of different situations. The Knicks just aren't one of them.
    I agree with you, he should have signed with the Bulls but thats another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    You have to give yourself a chance. You might draw an Anthony Bennett draft, or you might draft a John Wall, Anthony Davis, or Wiggins draft.

    If Philly fails it's because they were unlucky in the draft. At least they gave themselves their best chance possible.
    Yep, i'll take my chances and hope i get lucky at the top of the draft. Only way you can really get good in the NBA.

    May not work out but its better than being mediocre every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The Sixers model works more often than the35-40 win model to placate the fanbase IMO.

    Sixers got real unlucky with Embid.
    How often has the Sixers model worked? They didn't get unlucky with Embid, they knowingly drafted an injured player that dropped to them for that reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Well sure. Some teams will regress, but if that team regressing is the Clippers then the Kings still stent going to beat them. I don't see many teams being underdogs to the Kings this year. All of the teams that were around Sacramento's level improved a lot (OKC, Utah, Phoenix, Minnesota, etc.). If I was going to tier the teams in the West, I would put Sacramento in the last tier of 3 or 4 wins.

    It's just a weirdly constructed roster as rumored. Cousins hated Isiah because he was a chucker and so you surround him with two notorious chuckers in Monta and Gay. Rondo doesn't help you space the floor at all, so I'm not sure I understand the point of bringing him together with Monta (who needs the ball in his hand) and Cousins who is a ball dominant big. I love Wes, but who knows how he comes back from his injury.

    It is just a weird gamble to take and the payoff is best case scenario of 40 wins.
    They want to save the franchise and not have them leave the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    How often has the Sixers model worked? They didn't get unlucky with Embid, they knowingly drafted an injured player that dropped to them for that reason.
    The 2015 nba Champs were built that way.
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    getting high picks has worked a lot of times.
    i don't think anyone has done it to the extent the sixers have. but you're fooling yourself if you don't think they have a lot of solid assets plus more to come in coming drafts, plus they will have money to sign people when they want to.

    they were in on butler before he called off meetings with other teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Looks like Sacramento's grand plan is crumbling beneath them.
    There are still plenty of options for them; one being Wes Matthews. If he doesn't sign, it could get ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The 2015 nba Champs were built that way.
    But they sucked and are lucky.

    When did Golden State actively tank and get a top draft pick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilesfan View Post
    There are still plenty of options for them; one being Wes Matthews. If he doesn't sign, it could get ugly.
    Sounds like Matthews to Dallas but we'll see.

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