NBA Thread

[Heyward]

Kings keep Cassipi, have some pieces.

[thethe]

Its kinda off that all the good teams on the NBA stock up with vets willing to take less except OKC. Why is that?

Please tell me which vet they would even want to bring in right now and where would they play?

They just signed a top 10 3 point shooter for a bargain last year.

[thethe]

Might be worst contract on the league

You realize that Jackson produced close to the same numbers as John Wall while he was on the Pistons right?

Jackson is a really good player and is well deserving of his money.

[gilesfan]

Please tell me which vet they would even want to bring in right now and where would they play?

They just signed a top 10 3 point shooter for a bargain last year.

Joe JOhnson and David West would be good fits.

[gilesfan]

You realize that Jackson produced close to the same numbers as John Wall while he was on the Pistons right?

Jackson is a really good player and is well deserving of his money.

He produced numbers because he's a chucker that doesn't play defense.

[thethe]

He produced numbers because he's a chucker that doesn't play defense.

And yet his TS% was not that much lower than Walls and posted a slightly higher Ortg.

This is also the first time Jackson got to run his own team. Let see how he does in year 2 with better shooting around him.

[thethe]

Joe JOhnson and David West would be good fits.

Where in the hell is David West going to play?

How in the hell are they going to get Joe Johnson salary to fit in their cap?

[thethe]

Its odd to me that the perception is that John Wall is this all world defensive player and that Westbrook is a bad one while the Drtg for their careers are identical.

[gilesfan]

Where in the hell is David West going to play?

How in the hell are they going to get Joe Johnson salary to fit in their cap?

That was my point. HOw is SA or the Cavs going to fit them? Vets take less money to play in Cle, SA, and others, but it's odd no one does so in OKC.

[gilesfan]

Its odd to me that the perception is that John Wall is this all world defensive player.

Is it a perception?

[thethe]

That was my point. HOw is SA or the Cavs going to fit them? Vets take less money to play in Cle, SA, and others, but it's odd no one does so in OKC.

The Cavs have contracts to unload to match salaries.

David West has no place on the Thunder. The Cavs can actually use him. The Thunder have much better options than a worn down non-stretch smallish PF.

[thethe]

Is it a perception?

Listen, I don't think that Westbrook has shown to be a consistent good defensive player. I know he has all the ability to be the best one though.

I'm just wondering why doesn't it show up in the stats? Aren't you a guy that quotes Ortg/Drtg all the time?

Does it not work in this instance to prove a point?

[gilesfan]

The Cavs have contracts to unload to match salaries.

David West has no place on the Thunder. The Cavs can actually use him. The Thunder have much better options than a worn down non-stretch smallish PF.

So you can use Collison and McGary instead?

[thethe]

So you can use Collison and McGary instead?

Collison is the third big off the bench.

Give me McGary over David West and his declining production any day of hte week.

[gilesfan]

I'm just wondering why doesn't it show up in the stats?

Wizards defense with Wall on court: 102.4 pts per 100 possessions
Wizards defense with Wall off court: 109.8 pts per 100 possessions

Thunder defense with Westbrook on court: 108.5 pts per 100 possessions
Thunder defense with Westbrook off court: 104.1 pts per 100 possessions

[thethe]

Wizards defense with Wall on court: 102.4 pts per 100 possessions
Wizards defense with Wall off court: 109.8 pts per 100 possessions

Thunder defense with Westbrook on court: 108.5 pts per 100 possessions
Thunder defense with Westbrook off court: 104.1 pts per 100 possessions

So I guess Drtg doesn't matter here?

Those stats you are mentioning are combination specific wouldn't you say? And last year the Thunder had all types of issues with injuries and the fact that Kanter was awful and basically always saw the floor with Westbrook.

[gilesfan]

So I guess Drtg doesn't matter here?

Those stats you are mentioning are combination specific wouldn't you say? And last year the Thunder had all types of issues with injuries and the fact that Kanter was awful and basically always saw the floor with Westbrook.

You can nit pick and make excuses about any stat you want. The bottom line is Wall is a good defender..Westbrook is not.

[thethe]

You can nit pick and make excuses about any stat you want. The bottom line is Wall is a good defender..Westbrook is not.

So why are their Drtgs so close?

[gilesfan]

So why are their Drtgs so close?

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•Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute.
•Perhaps as a byproduct, big men tend to have the best Defensive Ratings (although Oliver notes that history's best defensive teams were generally anchored by dominant defensive big men, suggesting that those types of players are the most important to a team's defensive success). A corollary to this is that excellent perimeter defenders who don't steal the ball a lot — for instance, Joe Dumars or Doug Christie — are underrated defensively by DRtg, and are prone to look only as good as their team's overall defense performs.

[thethe]

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•Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute.
•Perhaps as a byproduct, big men tend to have the best Defensive Ratings (although Oliver notes that history's best defensive teams were generally anchored by dominant defensive big men, suggesting that those types of players are the most important to a team's defensive success). A corollary to this is that excellent perimeter defenders who don't steal the ball a lot — for instance, Joe Dumars or Doug Christie — are underrated defensively by DRtg, and are prone to look only as good as their team's overall defense performs.

So the on/off court splits aren't dependent on team efficiencies?