Heyman on Braves' trade chips and Olivera

[dak]

Some of the details on Olivera are particularly interesting . . .

A few teams have checked in on Nick Markakis but recent struggles don’t help trade chances … Atlanta doesn’t have a great lineup, anyway, but under-performance by Markakis plus Inciarte, Erick Aybar and even Freddie Freeman has hurt … Kelly Johnson could be available, too, though he provides leadership and there’s no obvious replacement. Heck, everyone can be had, with the possible exception of Freeman … Julio Teheran is drawing a lot of interest. But Coppolella insists, “I expect Julio Teheran to be on the team a long time.” … The Hector Olivera domestic abuse case was said to have been “bad,” so the 82-game suspension reflects that. So far commissioner Rob Manfred hasn’t fallen into the same trap as Roger Goodell with his silly penalties for serious offenses … Olivera incidentally was shopped in spring, before the incident, to no avail. The Braves are now mapping out a very serious plan for Olivera to work for women’s causes … The Braves will pay a significant portion of Jason Grilli’s remaining $2.6 million, but they were likely to release him, anyway … Alexi Ogando’s name is coming up a lot in trades, and he could be the next to go.

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/ins...arper-machado/

[nsacpi]

KJ and Beckham could have some value. Maybe we can pair them up in something similar to the KJ & Uribe trade.

[cajunrevenge]

It pleases me that Goodell is widely seen as the joke that he is.

[dak]

Nice to see Jon Heyman with a writing gig again, though what in the blue hell is Fan Rag Sports? He's been one of the top ball writers over the years, so a little surprised he didn't hook on with a more prestigious outlet.

[chop2chip]

LOLivera incidentally was shopped in spring, before the incident, to no avail. The Braves are now mapping out a very serious plan for Olivera to work for women’s causes

That's both surprising/unsurprising. He went from being a 65 million dollar signing to untradeable in 4 months and this was before the DV incident.

[rico43]

KJ and Beckham could have some value. Maybe we can pair them up in something similar to the KJ & Uribe trade.

Beckham's twice damaged hamstring wipes out his value for 2016.

[Julio3000]

That's both surprising/unsurprising. He went from being a 65 million dollar signing to untradeable in 4 months and this was before the DV incident.

I kinda hate myself for continuing the same dumb yearlong conversation from the other thread—and, many, many others besides that one—but, this bears mentioning, with a couple of stipulations.

1. Nobody gets 'em all right. Coppy is entitled to a mistake.
2. We missed on Olivera. Forgetting the DV, the dude has not looked like a big league piece. We ****ed up.

Can we all agree on that?

The pertinent point here is that it doesn't matter what the Dodgers paid for the right to sign him. They can afford to make an eight-figure mistake. We can't.

[Oklahomabrave]

Does anyone believe Teheran actually WON'T be traded? Sounds like posturing.

[cajunrevenge]

I dont think he will be traded. We are playing for 2017. Not 2020.

[UNCBlue012]

I think he's traded, but I hope he's not.

[chop2chip]

I kinda hate myself for continuing the same dumb yearlong conversation from the other thread—and, many, many others besides that one—but, this bears mentioning, with a couple of stipulations.

1. Nobody gets 'em all right. Coppy is entitled to a mistake.
2. We missed on Olivera. Forgetting the DV, the dude has not looked like a big league piece. We ****ed up.

Can we all agree on that?

The pertinent point here is that it doesn't matter what the Dodgers paid for the right to sign him. They can afford to make an eight-figure mistake. We can't.

Well said. I don't see how anyone could disagree with anything you said here.

[weso1]

I kinda hate myself for continuing the same dumb yearlong conversation from the other thread—and, many, many others besides that one—but, this bears mentioning, with a couple of stipulations.

1. Nobody gets 'em all right. Coppy is entitled to a mistake.
2. We missed on Olivera. Forgetting the DV, the dude has not looked like a big league piece. We ****ed up.

Can we all agree on that?

The pertinent point here is that it doesn't matter what the Dodgers paid for the right to sign him. They can afford to make an eight-figure mistake. We can't.

I agree with your numbered points here, but if your pertinent point is that we can't make one single eight-figured mistake then I question why you, and some of the folks who thanked your posts, defended Wren even the slightest, considering the fact that he made multiple eight-figured mistakes.

[KB21]

I think at some point, you have to realize that the farm system has been rebuilt, and you have to realize that you don't have to trade every productive player that is currently on the major league roster.

[Julio3000]

My criticism of the end of the Wren era has been limited to wondering why he, and he alone, took the fall while Mssrs. Schuerholz, Hart, and McGuirk preached accountability for everyone but themselves, apparently. Wren's ****ery on the FA market is pretty non-controversial, IMO.

[sturg33]

I think at some point, you have to realize that the farm system has been rebuilt, and you have to realize that you don't have to trade every productive player that is currently on the major league roster.

The farm has been rebuilt but there there are no impact true hitters. Swanson and Albies are good players, but they are not elite hitters.

[thewupk]

The farm has been rebuilt but there there are no impact true hitters. Swanson and Albies are good players, but they are not elite hitters.

Hoepfully Swanson isn't hyped up as an elite hitter otherwise some will be disappointed with him.

[Horsehide Harry]

I dont think he will be traded. We are playing for 2017. Not 2020.

Which is just about as dumb as it gets with the current offense and the likely trade/FA options this coming offseason. Makes no sense - at all.

[Horsehide Harry]

I think at some point, you have to realize that the farm system has been rebuilt, and you have to realize that you don't have to trade every productive player that is currently on the major league roster.

Slapping new tires on a car with a blown engine and pronouncing it "rebuilt" doesn't really mean that it actually is.

[sturg33]

Hoepfully Swanson isn't hyped up as an elite hitter otherwise some will be disappointed with him.

Yeah - everyone's favorite whipping boy JHey was an elite hitting prospect in the minors at a very young age... and now everyone says he's not a good enough hitter

And Albies and Swanson rare both nowhere near on the level offensively as Heyward was

[weso1]

My criticism of the end of the Wren era has been limited to wondering why he, and he alone, took the fall while Mssrs. Schuerholz, Hart, and McGuirk preached accountability for everyone but themselves, apparently. Wren's ****ery on the FA market is pretty non-controversial, IMO.

I disagree with your pertinent point. I think we can afford to make a single 8 figure mistake. Royals signed Frenchy to an 8 figure contract for example. Everything needs to be put in perspective. What is the net result of all transactions and what is the smartest strategy going forward? Olivera was a disaster and a hilarious mistake, but could we afford that mistake? I would argue we can afford one of these at least. Imo, Wren had grounds to be fired and more importantly he had the wrong strategy going forward. Did he deserve all the blame? No, but we're dealing with narcissistic personalities here and imo Wren was one of those personalities. I don't really care to be bothered with the who gets the blame politics.