Bradley Manning Statement After Verdict

[sturg33]

Bradley Manning is the answer to the question "If Edward Snowden wanted to be considered a civil disobedient patriot, then he should come back and face his charges."

Manning has proven that our government has no place for whistle blowers and anyone who may expose corruption. After years of being tortured, he now faces 35 years in prison. Snowden is wise not to trust our government for a fair trial.

[goldfly]

Do you believe he did it on principle? I don't

did you read the original post?

i guess not

sucks you don't live your life by principles or a code

many of us still do thankfully

[gilesfan]

did you read the original post?

i guess not

sucks you don't like your life by principles or a code

many of us still do thankfully

Yes. Do you believe everything people say after they get caught?

[gilesfan]

Why would you not? He was well aware of what was coming his way if caught... and I doubt that he had any reason to think he wouldn't get caught.

But to address the question Goldfly posed earlier, why in the world does Manning get 35 years for telling the world that we will killing innocents and torturing people, but the folks who killed innocents and tortured people got nothing?

NOt that killing innocent people is right, but it happens in war. If the people in gov't were arrested for killing innocent people during a war, how would our military exist?

What reason is there to believe what this guy is saying as his reasons for releasing information to a web site?

[gilesfan]

Little brain...,.....i forgot Goldfly is the smartest poster on the site.

[goldfly]

Little brain...,.....i forgot Goldfly is the smartest poster on the site.

i am not


but it seems you have a little brain

for someone that admitted something, you are really coming up cold on proving that

[goldfly]

NOt that killing innocent people is right, but it happens in war. If the people in gov't were arrested for killing innocent people during a war, how would our military exist?

i love how casual you say this while sitting at your office or house here in the USA

[gilesfan]

Well I posted that there were sources that heard him say it. If you don't want to believe bc he's your hero, so be it.

How's that occupy movement work out for you, btw?

[jpx7]

This is the same guy that wants to be called Chelsea.

How does this aspect of Manning's life have anything to do with the morality and/or legality of his leaking military information?

[gilesfan]

i love how casual you say this while sitting at your office or house here in the USA

I love how casual you post while doing the same.

[gilesfan]

How does this aspect of Manning's life have anything to do with the morality and/or legality of his leaking military information?

Clearly he has some issues, no?

[jpx7]

If the people in gov't were arrested for killing innocent people during a war, how would our military exist?

In that case, maybe it shouldn't?

[jpx7]

Clearly he has some issues, no?

Elaborate.

[gilesfan]

In that case, maybe it shouldn't?

So we have nothing to protect us?

[gilesfan]

Elaborate.

I need to elaborate on a man dressing up as a women and calling himself Chelsea having issues?

[sturg33]

So we have nothing to protect us?

Out of curiosity, how is our miltary protecting us today, and from who?

[sturg33]

I always hated the "Look, innocent people die in war, that's just how it is" argument - as if that makes everything acceptable.

Here is the issue.

1. WTH are we at war? Is our safety endnager that needs us killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people?
2. Does killing innocent people make us less safe? I absolutely think so. It creates a rallying cry for our enemies.
3. Are our war methods hoorable? Are there things we can be doing to not be killing innocent people? Bradley Manning shows us that we aren't too careful
4. In case #1 was strong enough, WHY THE HELL ARE WE STILL AT WAR??

[jpx7]

I need to elaborate on a man dressing up as a women and calling himself Chelsea having issues?

Yes, actually. Please define these "issues" and how the relate to a given individual's moral composition and legal comportment.

[50PoundHead]

did you read the original post?

i guess not

sucks you don't live your life by principles or a code

many of us still do thankfully

I don't like the war in Afghanistan and I hated the war in Iraq, but my problem with Manning is that when you sign up for the service, you agree to a certain code of conduct. Manning has now faced the consequences for violating that code. I feel the same about Snowden. He signed the confidentiality agreement (or whatever it was called for clearance purposes) and didn't honor that. So I guess I have less of a problem with the information being leaked than with how it was leaked. I guess I don't necessarily believe that the end justifies the means, although I acknowledge there are instances when that is true. I am not comfortable with that applying here and I fully acknowledge that my comfort has little, if anything, to do with whether this was right or wrong. I guess my code centers on personal conduct and remaining consistent to an agreement, which both Manning and Snowden undertook of their own free will. If something changed for them, they should have informed their superiors and been reassigned. I'm sure you'll disagree with me sturg33 and goldfly.

As for the TG angle, I know several TGs (some who have fully transitioned and some who have not) and I am curious to find out what they think about this. I'm relatively certain they will have empathy toward Manning (as I do), but I don't know what this aspect of Manning's life has to do with the actions he took.

[gilesfan]

Out of curiosity, how is our miltary protecting us today, and from who?

You don't think the military protects you? If North Korea wants to send a nuke over, having no military would hurt, no?