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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Our talent is at AA and below mostly. So when they say 2017 to compete, it goes in one ear as 2017, and comes out the other as 2019.
    I've got 2020 vision. Maybe front office Lasik gets it to 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I've got 2020 vision. Maybe front office Lasik gets it to 2019.
    2016 is as good as it gets tho.

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    I think we're looking at a slow gradual improvement in the team's baseline over the next few years. But actual results always differ from the underlying baseline, reflecting injuries and other elements of luck.

    Depending upon how the front office allocates the spending power it will have this off-season, our biggest one season improvement in wins and losses could come in 2017.

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    I've been consistent in saying that 2017 is a bit of a pipe-dream; and that's PERFECTLY FINE. Don't short circuit the rebuild to cut corners.

    One of the biggest obstacles to that is the pressure of opening a new stadium, I wish we had another year before the move lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    2016 is as good as it gets tho.
    I'm praying for temporary blindness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think we're looking at a slow gradual improvement in the team's baseline over the next few years. But actual results always differ from the underlying baseline, reflecting injuries and other elements of luck.

    Depending upon how the front office allocates the spending power it will have this off-season, our biggest one season improvement in wins and losses could come in 2017.
    Could be. I think it would be a mistake to totally punt 2017, given the hype it's been given and the importance of establishing a good major league product in the new stadium. I certainly wouldn't do anything rash to be in "win now" mode, but short of rushing players so much that it retards development, they need to try to win. Spend some cash on free agents and see what the kids can do in 2017. While I am a realist that expects a sub .500 2017, I do like to hope. Best case scenario? Swanson and Albies are the real deal and play well in 2017, Adonis continues reasonable (or maybe even slightly plus???) defense and hits near major league average with some power, Freddie has a career year as he reaches his prime, Mallex improves as he has at each level, Inciarte plays as well as last year and Neck is either traded or plays MLB average. Julion pitches close to how he has this year, Folty is healthy and figures it out, Wisler improves a little, Newcomb figures it out and some other starter is a decent four or five. It isn't impossible that most of these things happen and something else unexpected happens for good. That team could compete. Of course, I did say "best case".

    Hope springs eternal. Expectations spring.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    Ozzy was skipped a level SO they wouldn't play together, it hasn't been a consideration all year, then he's sent to AAA, struggles, starts to figure it out and as soon as he does he's demoted so they can suddenly play together again????

    What???

    If it was that important they should have been doing it at AA when Dansby came up.
    They wanted both to play SS so they could decide which would stay there long term. They made that decision, and it's obviously Swanson at SS. Now they want them to play together, so they either had to promote Swanson to AAA, or demote Albies to AA. Since neither was exactly tearing up their respective level, it makes sense to have them play together in AA.

    Seems very logical to me. However, they probably jumped the gun with the promotions in the first place. They should have kept Albies at AA the entire time since he is so young, and just promoted Swanson to AA when they decided to have them play together. I think they were overaggressive with their promotions. Folks can poo-poo it all they want, but demoting a guy is NEVER a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Seems very logical to me. However, they probably jumped the gun with the promotions in the first place. They should have kept Albies at AA the entire time since he is so young, and just promoted Swanson to AA when they decided to have them play together. I think they were overaggressive with their promotions. Folks can poo-poo it all they want, but demoting a guy is NEVER a good thing.
    Pretty much this all around. Hopefully this is a sign that maybe they will hold off on making them opening day starters next year if they don't show they are ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    A few of those are at 2b... Too lazy to look it up though
    Nah, those are all at SS, and just from AAA. He has 20 errors on the season, 11 at SS at AAA, 4 at AA, and then 5 at 2B at AAA.

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    That Rangel kid is pitching again for the GCL team today. If you remember, he had 8Ks in 4ip last time. He has 2 in the 1st already. WHO IS HE?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    That Rangel kid is pitching again for the GCL team today. If you remember, he had 8Ks in 4ip last time. He has 2 in the 1st already. WHO IS HE?!?!
    The only thing I've been able to find is this Johnny Almaraz quote from when Rangel signed in 2014: “We’re projecting him to have three above-average pitches. He’s a number three type starter one day. He’s got a good curve and change. He throws 88-90 mph.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by auyushu View Post
    Nah, those are all at SS, and just from AAA. He has 20 errors on the season, 11 at SS at AAA, 4 at AA, and then 5 at 2B at AAA.
    Thanks. 4 at 2b is a big number considering he hasn't been there long

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Thanks. 4 at 2b is a big number considering he hasn't been there long
    well, not being there long probably has a lot to do with it, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    The only thing I've been able to find is this Johnny Almaraz quote from when Rangel signed in 2014: “We’re projecting him to have three above-average pitches. He’s a number three type starter one day. He’s got a good curve and change. He throws 88-90 mph.”
    wonder if he is still throwing that hard or if he has gained some velocity. he is only 18.. so it could be. Maybe he has a nasty curve/slider.. he has 3 Ks through 2 innings and they have all been swinging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    well, not being there long probably has a lot to do with it, as well.
    202 innings at 2nd
    267 innings at SS

    not a huge difference. I think his struggles at the plate carried over to the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    202 innings at 2nd
    267 innings at SS

    not a huge difference. I think his struggles at the plate carried over to the field.
    but he's been at SS his whole minor league career, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeezus View Post
    but he's been at SS his whole minor league career, no?
    yes.. saying that his error rate is higher at SS if you look at innings. He did ok at second. I am not too worried about his fielding personally. I think it is just a thing as he works to make it to the Majors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    202 innings at 2nd
    267 innings at SS

    not a huge difference. I think his struggles at the plate carried over to the field.
    Nevermind me, I'm lost. I didn't realize he's played that many innings at 2b

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Nevermind me, I'm lost. I didn't realize he's played that many innings at 2b
    next time take a left at Albuquerque

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    next time take a left at Albuquerque
    But turn right when you come to the spoon in the road.

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