we all know this rebuild has been centered on acquiring arms, and there likely isn't another system in baseball with more pitching than Atlanta's --- people have gone back and forth debating this strategy.
Does this off-season (where pitchers signed massive deals) and the trade deadline -- where everybody is looking and overpaying for pitching -- make you guys feel any differently/better about our FO's strategy?
Its been this way for a long time. Buyer or sellers market its all about leverage when making trades.
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I'd feel better about it if we took advantage of the market and dealt Teheran.
Horsehide Harry (08-01-2016)
it's beginning to piss me off. The price is so high that I'm in shock that we aren't trading him. EVERYONE should be available.Originally Posted by CJ9
Horsehide Harry (08-01-2016)
Yep.
This particular deadline has pitching overvalued because the contenders need pitching. If they all needed OFers the Braves could probably unload Markakis.
It doesn't mean pitching is going to be so valuable whenever the Braves actually have pitchers to sell. It is cyclical.
My concern is that Julio's trade value will never, ever, be higher than it is right now. We obviously don't know what kind of offers he garnered, but I am usually a proponent of selling high on players, especially pitchers. Trading for Kemp is essentially throwing in the towel on the 2017 season already (his acquisition is nothing more than a hat tip to casual/ignorant fans who go only by name recognition). The Braves are going to be bad again next year, and will have wasted yet another valuable year of Teheran's contract...to win 70 games.
They either needed to add average or better players at LF, C, 3B and SP in an attempt to push for 80+ wins next year, or they should have sold high on Teheran. I said the worst thing they could do was try to straddle that line between compete/rebuild, and that's exactly what they are doing by filling LF with a below average player while holding onto Teheran.
I have a bad feeling this trade deadline is the point in time where we are going to look back at 5 years from now and point to as where the Braves rebuilding effort failed.
I've never had a problem with the strategy. Acquire as much pitching as you possibly can and then go from there on who you keep and who you trade. It's pretty simple
I agree with everyone in this thread regarding Julio - his value isn't going to get higher.
I would trade JT for the jumbo package. Not sure if it was offered. We could still do it in the winter meetings. I still think a team w/ more budget constraints will value his deal more than Red Sox. That said I hope the Sox lose games 10-9 and are willing to send some offense to us for Tehran.
I'm encouraged by the Miller deal. I think we have some guys that might not make it as starters but could be power relievers. I'd love to get 3-4 good years out of some of those guys and then flip them for a big return with a couple of years of control. We have enough arms that we should luck our way into a Miller or two.
The sense I get is other teams want to buy him at the valuation of a middle rotation starter. I am all for selling if we can get a crazy deal but I dont think anyone was offering it. You have to wait for the right scenario.
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mfree80 (08-01-2016)
Why are you getting that sense, though? I get that would be more ideal... but I don't think that's what's happening
The only tangible evidence we have is coppy emphatically saying he isn't trading him, and the fact that he hasn't been traded
For starters I think he will get pounded in the AL, specifically the AL east. Also I cant find it exactly but I know I have read reports that some AL Teams question how well Julio would do in the AL. I personally dont think he would do well in a hitters park.
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Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
The only I've seen is Texas being rumored to not be high on him.
I've also seen Coppy say a thousand times that we're not trading him.
Ding Ding Ding!!!!! Thanks for this. That is exactly what I have been thinking. If that is how they value him, then we should keep him. He is more valuable to the Braves than that. If he is valued higher in the Winter when more cost concious teams are in the mix, trade him then.
And every single unbiased source for baseball discussion/analysis thinks he is crazy not to sell Teheran. Couple that with how badly every single MLB-level acquisition the Braves have made in the last 2+ years has gone, and I have a feeling they Braves are just bad at evaluating players when it comes to constructing a competitive MLB roster.
Except backup catchers. The Braves are good at signing backup catchers.
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Braves1976 (08-01-2016)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/0...g-kimbrel.html
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It’s over."
Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.
“We have never entertained trading (Kimbrel) and have had zero conversations with any clubs about Craig,” Hart explains. “I want him finishing out a World Series win.”
That is different that Coppy's definitive statements. "We're not trading him"
This is how I think the Julio situation went down. We spoke with the handful of teams that are contenders and realized we weren't going to get the package we wanted. After realizing our target audience was too small and small market teams will covet him more we threw out the "We're not trading Julio" comments. This will only help in creating value for the offseason.
Oh, good grief... This is all truly about next year. At this point, you want the #1 pick. Keep spinning or keep posting about your latest meal in Denver or some underground band, DOB.
sheesh
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